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  • robiR Offline
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    robi
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    #5

    Yes, this would be a great thing to provide search to a growling list of self-hosted web properties.

    Conscious tech

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    • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

      YaCy is a free search engine that anyone can use to build a search portal for their intranet or to help search the public internet. When contributing to the world-wide peer network, the scale of YaCy is limited only by the number of users in the world and can index billions of web pages. It is fully decentralized, all users of the search engine network are equal, the network does not store user search requests and it is not possible for anyone to censor the content of the shared index.

      https://yacy.net

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      timconsidine
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      @jodumont : intrigued so I span it up in a container

      The interface seems a little dated, but hey ho, who cares really.
      And it seems a little laggy (page doesn't refresh smoothly).

      But it's impressive for P2P connections ...

      Screenshot 2021-10-15 at 04.03.27.png

      I will play with it a little more.

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      • timconsidineT timconsidine

        @jodumont : intrigued so I span it up in a container

        The interface seems a little dated, but hey ho, who cares really.
        And it seems a little laggy (page doesn't refresh smoothly).

        But it's impressive for P2P connections ...

        Screenshot 2021-10-15 at 04.03.27.png

        I will play with it a little more.

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        timconsidine
        App Dev
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        @timconsidine hmmm, played a bit

        I don't think it is fully stable.

        Setting a language filter (to English) mostly works, but some other language entries still creep in

        Setting a date order filter mostly works, but entirely, sequence is a little random

        Understandably much slower than e.g. running your own searx

        I entirely get the point of it in general terms, and specifically in terms of wanting to index some particular set of sites reliably. In terms of a general search engine, e.g. to replace Searx or DDG, it's not readt yet.

        I have stopped the container, but not uninstalled. I may return to it later.

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        • timconsidineT timconsidine

          @timconsidine hmmm, played a bit

          I don't think it is fully stable.

          Setting a language filter (to English) mostly works, but some other language entries still creep in

          Setting a date order filter mostly works, but entirely, sequence is a little random

          Understandably much slower than e.g. running your own searx

          I entirely get the point of it in general terms, and specifically in terms of wanting to index some particular set of sites reliably. In terms of a general search engine, e.g. to replace Searx or DDG, it's not readt yet.

          I have stopped the container, but not uninstalled. I may return to it later.

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          @timconsidine It is great that you tried YaCy! If you mention issues to Orbiter, the maintainer, on the YaCy forum, you should receive some help pretty quickly.
          https://searchlab.eu/

          Orbiter is German, so that might account for some of the language issues.

          If you have a niche interest and spend some time crawling sites you know are full of content, you can see remarkable improvement in the quality of YaCy search results after only a few days. It is gratifying to be able to help the network in this way. (You can verify by searching YaCy with a different instance.)

          Sometimes you try a YaCy search and notice that its results were not so good on a topic and it is great to discover that even one person can do quite a lot to remedy that with a few crawls.

          I encourage everybody to try YaCy and would be very keen to hear your experience.

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            @timconsidine It is great that you tried YaCy! If you mention issues to Orbiter, the maintainer, on the YaCy forum, you should receive some help pretty quickly.
            https://searchlab.eu/

            Orbiter is German, so that might account for some of the language issues.

            If you have a niche interest and spend some time crawling sites you know are full of content, you can see remarkable improvement in the quality of YaCy search results after only a few days. It is gratifying to be able to help the network in this way. (You can verify by searching YaCy with a different instance.)

            Sometimes you try a YaCy search and notice that its results were not so good on a topic and it is great to discover that even one person can do quite a lot to remedy that with a few crawls.

            I encourage everybody to try YaCy and would be very keen to hear your experience.

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            @loudlemur : yes, I was thinking that it might take a while to build up indexes and slow searches were relate to that.

            I will play a little more later.

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              From their GH

              You need Java 1.8 or later to run YaCy. (No Apache, Tomcat or MySQL or anything else)
              
              

              That means that one could potentially hack install YaCY into any Java 1.8 Cloudron App until a package is made.

              Who's up for some hacking?

              Conscious tech

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                From their GH

                You need Java 1.8 or later to run YaCy. (No Apache, Tomcat or MySQL or anything else)
                
                

                That means that one could potentially hack install YaCY into any Java 1.8 Cloudron App until a package is made.

                Who's up for some hacking?

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                LoudLemur
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                @robi Has anybody managed to deploy YaCy using Cloudron yet?

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                  I love YaCy and I'd love to see it here.

                  I completely understand the political/ideological desire to de-middleman internet searching. It's a worthy cause but in 2022 I don't think it's the solution to private daily driver searching.

                  Where it excels for me is as a really neat private productivity tool for those of us who do have a pool of sites we're constantly referring to. My YaCy indexes save me tens of hours a week and let me surface things I never would manually. I don't know how you replicate this without getting into Apache Nutch which has technical skill requirements an order of magnitude higher. It's a shame it's a bit long in the tooth.

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                  • timconsidineT timconsidine

                    @jodumont : intrigued so I span it up in a container

                    The interface seems a little dated, but hey ho, who cares really.
                    And it seems a little laggy (page doesn't refresh smoothly).

                    But it's impressive for P2P connections ...

                    Screenshot 2021-10-15 at 04.03.27.png

                    I will play with it a little more.

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                    #13

                    @timconsidine did you try this in a Surfer App ?

                    Conscious tech

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                    • robiR robi

                      @timconsidine did you try this in a Surfer App ?

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                      @robi No, I installed using normal docker on separate VPS reserved for docker.

                      TBH didn't like it much. Just my 2p.
                      Applaud the concept. Understand the use case eg for @rggl
                      Just not very performant for me.
                      Uninstalled it now.

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                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                        @robi No, I installed using normal docker on separate VPS reserved for docker.

                        TBH didn't like it much. Just my 2p.
                        Applaud the concept. Understand the use case eg for @rggl
                        Just not very performant for me.
                        Uninstalled it now.

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                        @timconsidine Thanks for the update.

                        The use case I am attracted to as there are 50+ sites with hundreds of services that need a search to find them all.

                        Luckily the number of domains is small enough so one could manually add them to a crawler if needed, but the user experience would need to delight to be worth implementing and changing the flow of user experience.

                        Conscious tech

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                        • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

                          YaCy is a free search engine that anyone can use to build a search portal for their intranet or to help search the public internet. When contributing to the world-wide peer network, the scale of YaCy is limited only by the number of users in the world and can index billions of web pages. It is fully decentralized, all users of the search engine network are equal, the network does not store user search requests and it is not possible for anyone to censor the content of the shared index.

                          https://yacy.net

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                          @JOduMonT

                          Has anybody else tried getting YaCy to run on Cloudron?

                          It would be great to help defeat censorship, if we managed to support it.

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                            I headed over to check what's going on with this project. Seems quite active. For some reason, they don't make releases which is why I never got any notification.

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                              I headed over to check what's going on with this project. Seems quite active. For some reason, they don't make releases which is why I never got any notification.

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                              @girish A couple of years ago, the maintainer of YaCy stated he wasn't going to do any further unpaid work to improve the project. Some improvements have happened since then, though these are largely the result of a paid project he is supporting. I haven't looked at the websited for a while but that certainly has had some big changes of late.

                              UPDATE!

                              Big changes have happened on the YaCy project website. There is a live demo of an instance now for people to try:

                              https://yacy.searchlab.eu/Status.html

                              brave_dNLslyBHTt.jpg

                              The YaCy Grid project has got off the ground now too. (The maintainer wanted this to be the way forward.)

                              If you haven't visited https://searchlab.eu recently, it is worth a look

                              https://searchlab.eu/en/access/download/

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