Akamai Technologies, Inc. Acquires Inverse, SOGo developer
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This is interesting. I wonder how Inverse with its products fits with Akamai, it isn't really obvious to me.
@nebulon Probably no synergy. The CFO of Akamai was bored and needed to justify his existence and obscene salary by doing something. Same old story for these big boys. Don't really know how to develop and grow their core business, but they have to show their investors how clever and powerful they are.
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This is interesting. I wonder how Inverse with its products fits with Akamai, it isn't really obvious to me.
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@nebulon From what I've heard, they bought the company because of the people, not the product.
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@luckow well if this is just an acqui-hire then I'm not too hopeful for SOGo as such, unless they tried to get the people from the other projects of inverse
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We are currently Fruux users but with enough issues with Fruux that we'd like to move our shared calendars and address books to a Cloudron app. We're currently using invoiceninja and rocketchat in production via Cloudron.
Should we go with SOGo or NextCloud? NextCloud has always seemed a bit top-heavy – we don't need to move email in and we are handling file storage in project management.
Radicale won't work for us as there is no well-thought-out permissions structure for shared calendars and address books which is important for us.
Anyway, we are deciding between SOGo or NextCloud for CalDAV/CardDAV sharing. Anyone here have a strong opinion after working with both?
Dark horse candidates also welcome. It's amazing that CardDAV and CalDAV are so difficult after the main issues were solved 15 years ago (both actually worked great with OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. A clear case of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish by all of Apple, Microsoft, Google.
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We are currently Fruux users but with enough issues with Fruux that we'd like to move our shared calendars and address books to a Cloudron app. We're currently using invoiceninja and rocketchat in production via Cloudron.
Should we go with SOGo or NextCloud? NextCloud has always seemed a bit top-heavy – we don't need to move email in and we are handling file storage in project management.
Radicale won't work for us as there is no well-thought-out permissions structure for shared calendars and address books which is important for us.
Anyway, we are deciding between SOGo or NextCloud for CalDAV/CardDAV sharing. Anyone here have a strong opinion after working with both?
Dark horse candidates also welcome. It's amazing that CardDAV and CalDAV are so difficult after the main issues were solved 15 years ago (both actually worked great with OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. A clear case of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish by all of Apple, Microsoft, Google.
@foliovision +1 for SOGo (at the moment). Use TbSync as a potential add-on for thunderbird https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/tbsync/ to have multiple endpoints and a better sync with different calendar servers.
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@foliovision +1 for SOGo (at the moment). Use TbSync as a potential add-on for thunderbird https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/tbsync/ to have multiple endpoints and a better sync with different calendar servers.
@foliovision see also this App Wishlist post for Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server which I think would be an even better option than SOGo, but isn't yet available on Cloudron.
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@foliovision +1 for SOGo (at the moment). Use TbSync as a potential add-on for thunderbird https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/tbsync/ to have multiple endpoints and a better sync with different calendar servers.
@luckow Thanks for the tip about enforcing use through Thunderbird/a compliant client. Any idea of how SOGo fares with iOS sync?
@jdaviescoates Thanks for the tip about the Sabre/dav request. I've added my feedback (not positive sadly) based on five years of active use of Fruux with various MacOS and recent version of iOS (I'm a relative latecomer to iPhones as I stopped using cellphones between about 2013 and 2018: now I have to have one for banking unfortunately and am surrounded by a pack of rabid iPhone users both at work and at home).
PS. Could someone somewhere please upvote a post for me so I can post more often than every six minutes.
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@luckow Thanks for the tip about enforcing use through Thunderbird/a compliant client. Any idea of how SOGo fares with iOS sync?
@jdaviescoates Thanks for the tip about the Sabre/dav request. I've added my feedback (not positive sadly) based on five years of active use of Fruux with various MacOS and recent version of iOS (I'm a relative latecomer to iPhones as I stopped using cellphones between about 2013 and 2018: now I have to have one for banking unfortunately and am surrounded by a pack of rabid iPhone users both at work and at home).
PS. Could someone somewhere please upvote a post for me so I can post more often than every six minutes.
@foliovision Sorry to revive an 11-mos dead thread— I've had a hell of a time finding an iOS friendly CalDAV server, though I haven't tried SoGO yet. Curious if you landed on a good solution.
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@foliovision Sorry to revive an 11-mos dead thread— I've had a hell of a time finding an iOS friendly CalDAV server, though I haven't tried SoGO yet. Curious if you landed on a good solution.
@drew No, I haven't and I'm very frustrated. Fruux CardDAV doesn't sync with anything external any more at all (the calendards work). Website only at least for modifications. NextCloud can work but is almost a full time IT project to make NextCloud perform reliably. Experimenting with EteSync now. It's hosted on someone else's server but is open source and driven to work with lots of open source projects.
Doesn't help that Apple Contacts is back working okay with CardDAV in Monterrey (was terrible for years post-Snow Leopard) but BusyContacts won't sync reliably with CardDAV any more (even after paying for the expensive update – if this persists I'll be refunding the update and cutting ties with BusyMac – yet again, as I was burned by the same developers with Now Up-to-Date and Now Contacts which worked until they didn't).
The whole simple CardDAV/CalDAV idea has been effectively embrace-extend-extinguished by Apple. Seems like a simple concept to start with. How could 150,000 development man hours poured into calendar and contact sync end up with only working software on Google or Apple? Argh.
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@foliovision Sorry to revive an 11-mos dead thread— I've had a hell of a time finding an iOS friendly CalDAV server, though I haven't tried SoGO yet. Curious if you landed on a good solution.
@drew It's early innings but the Cloudron SoGo installation looks like a winner. I have no intention of using SoGo as a primary email mailbox as we'd quickly bring our Cloudron server to its knees with 150 GB of mail across the company but the CalDAV and the CardDAV functionality appears to work well.
Here's some good end user guides for how to use SoGo, written by a Swedish ISP.
The guides include how to share an address book which is obvious once you know how but not obvious until then.
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@drew It's early innings but the Cloudron SoGo installation looks like a winner. I have no intention of using SoGo as a primary email mailbox as we'd quickly bring our Cloudron server to its knees with 150 GB of mail across the company but the CalDAV and the CardDAV functionality appears to work well.
Here's some good end user guides for how to use SoGo, written by a Swedish ISP.
The guides include how to share an address book which is obvious once you know how but not obvious until then.
Interesting results so far with SoGo. Won't work with Apple Contacts 2498.2.1 on macOS 14, nor on iPhone Contacts no matter what handstands I do with the custom paths or not.
/SOGo/dav/yourusername/Contacts/personal/I am able to connect with both CardDAV and LDAP with Apple Contacts on macOS but none of the existing contacts show up, nor is it possible to add new cards to either the CardDAV or LDAP version. Hallucinating.
But SoGo does work on BusyContacts just fine picking up both address books and saving successfully back to the web version.
There is no iOS version of BusyContacts and I don't want to tie myself down to a third party application to be able to use shared address books. The shared address book is supposed to work between my partner and I and later within the company, which means a server which will work with Apple Contacts.
Why, or why can't someone code a CardDAV/CalDAV solution which is simple to configure and which works reliably with default Apple clients? Fruux did seem to be the solution until they abandoned the project.
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@drew No, I haven't and I'm very frustrated. Fruux CardDAV doesn't sync with anything external any more at all (the calendards work). Website only at least for modifications. NextCloud can work but is almost a full time IT project to make NextCloud perform reliably. Experimenting with EteSync now. It's hosted on someone else's server but is open source and driven to work with lots of open source projects.
Doesn't help that Apple Contacts is back working okay with CardDAV in Monterrey (was terrible for years post-Snow Leopard) but BusyContacts won't sync reliably with CardDAV any more (even after paying for the expensive update – if this persists I'll be refunding the update and cutting ties with BusyMac – yet again, as I was burned by the same developers with Now Up-to-Date and Now Contacts which worked until they didn't).
The whole simple CardDAV/CalDAV idea has been effectively embrace-extend-extinguished by Apple. Seems like a simple concept to start with. How could 150,000 development man hours poured into calendar and contact sync end up with only working software on Google or Apple? Argh.
@foliovision said in Akamai Technologies, Inc. Acquires Inverse, SOGo developer:
NextCloud can work but is almost a full time IT project to make NextCloud perform reliably. Experimenting with EteSync now. It's hosted on someone else's server but is open source and driven to work with lots of open source projects.
The Nextcloud instance of Cloudron has not failed me once. The key is - as said many times - activate as little plugins as possible and only official ones. I have no talk, mail, office, encryption (my server is at home), all this stuff. Just file sync and contacts / calendar - and it just works, in particular NC 24 was also a leap in speed.
Also, I wouldn’t rely on test results with alpha / beta versions of macOS.
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@foliovision said in Akamai Technologies, Inc. Acquires Inverse, SOGo developer:
NextCloud can work but is almost a full time IT project to make NextCloud perform reliably. Experimenting with EteSync now. It's hosted on someone else's server but is open source and driven to work with lots of open source projects.
The Nextcloud instance of Cloudron has not failed me once. The key is - as said many times - activate as little plugins as possible and only official ones. I have no talk, mail, office, encryption (my server is at home), all this stuff. Just file sync and contacts / calendar - and it just works, in particular NC 24 was also a leap in speed.
Also, I wouldn’t rely on test results with alpha / beta versions of macOS.
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Interesting results so far with SoGo. Won't work with Apple Contacts 2498.2.1 on macOS 14, nor on iPhone Contacts no matter what handstands I do with the custom paths or not.
/SOGo/dav/yourusername/Contacts/personal/I am able to connect with both CardDAV and LDAP with Apple Contacts on macOS but none of the existing contacts show up, nor is it possible to add new cards to either the CardDAV or LDAP version. Hallucinating.
But SoGo does work on BusyContacts just fine picking up both address books and saving successfully back to the web version.
There is no iOS version of BusyContacts and I don't want to tie myself down to a third party application to be able to use shared address books. The shared address book is supposed to work between my partner and I and later within the company, which means a server which will work with Apple Contacts.
Why, or why can't someone code a CardDAV/CalDAV solution which is simple to configure and which works reliably with default Apple clients? Fruux did seem to be the solution until they abandoned the project.
@foliovision Thank you! This is all very useful information. I'll report back if I get anything useful to add.
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@necrevistonnezr And you've had consistently good luck syncing with Apple native caldav/carddav clients?
@drew said in Akamai Technologies, Inc. Acquires Inverse, SOGo developer:
@necrevistonnezr And you've had consistently good luck syncing with Apple native caldav/carddav clients?
Yes, again with a simple setup. One private calendar/addressbook, one family calendar/addressbook, no groups or stuff like that.
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@yusf said in Akamai Technologies, Inc. Acquires Inverse, SOGo developer:
Akamai bought Linode too 🫠
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Looks like Sogo is under new ownership:
