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When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password

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  • E ericyu00

    @jdaviescoates Sounds like I'm going to need to do the same thing, i.e. reinstall without integrated LDAP. Re: losing followers, wonder if you can migrate your account to another server, re-build your Mastodon app, then migrate back?

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    @ericyu00 said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

    wonder if you can migrate your account to another server, re-build your Mastodon app, then migrate back?

    yeah, thanks, I'd thought about that too and may try it.. shall investigate...

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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      @ericyu00 said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

      wonder if you can migrate your account to another server, re-build your Mastodon app, then migrate back?

      yeah, thanks, I'd thought about that too and may try it.. shall investigate...

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      @jdaviescoates said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

      @ericyu00 said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

      wonder if you can migrate your account to another server, re-build your Mastodon app, then migrate back?

      yeah, thanks, I'd thought about that too and may try it.. shall investigate...

      Ah, I'm not sure that'd work because:

      "There is also a very heavy cooldown period in which you cannot migrate again, so be very careful before using this option!"

      From https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

      Frustratingly doesn't say how long that period is though.

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        Just tested this now. non-cloudron users are able to get email in my instance atleast. Testing it a bit more.

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          @jdaviescoates said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

          @ericyu00 said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

          wonder if you can migrate your account to another server, re-build your Mastodon app, then migrate back?

          yeah, thanks, I'd thought about that too and may try it.. shall investigate...

          Ah, I'm not sure that'd work because:

          "There is also a very heavy cooldown period in which you cannot migrate again, so be very careful before using this option!"

          From https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

          Frustratingly doesn't say how long that period is though.

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          @jdaviescoates Hmmm, yeah you're right, that's not ideal. Looks like some places indicate it's a 7-day cooldown period, so would not really work too well unless you want to stay in the new home for a week, then migrate back... Also indicates "Your toots will not be moved, due to technical limitations." - not sure if that's a blocker as well. Wonder if you can export your entire account, rebuild the Cloudron app, then restore the account with the new user management setting applied? I'm about to nuke and rebuild my app, but it was a fresh instance so not losing anything of value... Good luck mate!

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            This one took a bit of time to narrow. It seems there are two things: password recovery and confirmation instructions. The former works. The latter doesn't work after sign up. Maybe that's expected.

            Notice there are two separate links below:

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              @ericyu00 @jdaviescoates I left a note in the github issue. It seems that LDAP login (and other login methods like pam login) are incompatible with external registration.

              I will put this in Cloudron's post install message as well.

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              • girishG girish

                @ericyu00 @jdaviescoates I left a note in the github issue. It seems that LDAP login (and other login methods like pam login) are incompatible with external registration.

                I will put this in Cloudron's post install message as well.

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                @girish can you preselect the non-cloudron user management as default for these apps that people likely just click through to install and end up in trouble later?

                Conscious tech

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                  @girish can you preselect the non-cloudron user management as default for these apps that people likely just click through to install and end up in trouble later?

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                  @robi mm, I guess it depends on the use case. For our instance, we actually want user management. Don't want external users to register (under @cloudron.io namespace).

                  But I do agree. Ideally, we can put some subtext that provides the implications. Maybe upstream will fix the issue though and we don't need to anything as well.

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                    A new report has appeared - https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20672

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                    • girishG girish

                      Just tested this now. non-cloudron users are able to get email in my instance atleast. Testing it a bit more.

                      45d9ef22-d82c-4718-b840-021b84e95169-image.png

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                      @girish said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

                      Just tested this now. non-cloudron users are able to get email in my instance atleast.

                      yeah, as I said in the OP

                      "if you do use Cloudron user management external users can register, but they then they can't reset their password!" 🙂

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      • girishG girish

                        This one took a bit of time to narrow. It seems there are two things: password recovery and confirmation instructions. The former works. The latter doesn't work after sign up. Maybe that's expected.

                        Notice there are two separate links below:

                        1c6dd526-0859-4c14-a642-fd9cc05deb40-image.png

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                        @girish said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

                        Notice there are two separate links below

                        Not sure what you're referring to here?

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                          @girish said in When using Cloudron user management non-cloudron users cannot reset password:

                          Notice there are two separate links below

                          Not sure what you're referring to here?

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                          @jdaviescoates There's "Forgot your password" and "Didn't receive confirmation instructions" . For me the former works but the latter doesn't.

                          For "Forgot your password", I get the email. But clicking on the link in the email doesn't work.

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                            @jdaviescoates There's "Forgot your password" and "Didn't receive confirmation instructions" . For me the former works but the latter doesn't.

                            For "Forgot your password", I get the email. But clicking on the link in the email doesn't work.

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                            @girish hello!
                            Any updates regarding this issue? I setted up an instance and now we have more than 300 users, but without having the possibility to reset the password looks like we need close our server and re-setup it. It is a bad way for us...

                            Do you have like an instruction on how to move users from the old instance (with Cloudrone user management) to the new one (with inapp Mastodon user management)?

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                              @girish said in Opening Up Registration:

                              Note that if you want to allow external users, it might be a good idea to install mastodon without Cloudron user management. That way the user handles of external users and the Cloudron usernames won't conflict.

                              Also, I've just discovered that if you do use Cloudron user management external users can register, but they then they can't reset their password!

                              When trying to reset their passwords users are just presented with this:

                              Screenshot_20221113-002439_Browser.png

                              Is there anyway to resolve this?

                              How can I enable non-Cloudron user to be able reset their passwords? Or is it now impossible to do so given I chose Cloudron user management during installation?

                              I'm really hoping I wont have to throw my whole network away and start again from scratch? (but I'm guessing perhaps I will 😢 )

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                              @jdaviescoates https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/8071/change-cloudron-user-management-to-mastodon-app-user-management-on-existed-app/9?_=1669227101540 it can be useful for you

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