Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?
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- I'm not a fan of duplicate effort. I appreciate federation, but there's an amount of additional energy that goes into everyone having their own instance.
- Free publicity for Cloudron if a few of us are active elsewhere with the URL.
- Link in the footer?
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How much centralization comes with selfhosted services, is always a bit of a question everyone has to answer themselves. In our case we will not open up our company instance. For a start if one believes in those federated services, the handle based on domain should be closer to home for users. Especially this community is about empowerment to decentralize.
In this sense, go install mastodon on your domain and follow us at @cloudron@social.cloudron.io
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut. If anyone has good sources of analytics in that area, I would like to read up on this, as large datacenters with their required cooling, potential longer traffic transit, ... have been popping up also in the past in this context. Possibly even there is something we can do in terms of powermanagement settings, which might help reduce the overhead.
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- I'm not a fan of duplicate effort. I appreciate federation, but there's an amount of additional energy that goes into everyone having their own instance.
- Free publicity for Cloudron if a few of us are active elsewhere with the URL.
- Link in the footer?
@marcusquinn a few users already posted their ids in https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7922/the-great-twitter-migration
From the past days of using Mastodon it feels like it is rather a tool for selfhosting by communities and not individuals. Mastodon federates, but you only see trending topics and users on your own instance, not from the network in general. So instead of everyone sitting on their island, one should look for and join a server with a community that shares a joined interest or location.
@nebulon said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut.
Slightly off topic, but this has definitely been a trend before the current crisis as well. There is certainly a market where "my software can do x with y less resources" is a good deal once you reach a certain size.
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How much centralization comes with selfhosted services, is always a bit of a question everyone has to answer themselves. In our case we will not open up our company instance. For a start if one believes in those federated services, the handle based on domain should be closer to home for users. Especially this community is about empowerment to decentralize.
In this sense, go install mastodon on your domain and follow us at @cloudron@social.cloudron.io
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut. If anyone has good sources of analytics in that area, I would like to read up on this, as large datacenters with their required cooling, potential longer traffic transit, ... have been popping up also in the past in this context. Possibly even there is something we can do in terms of powermanagement settings, which might help reduce the overhead.
@nebulon @girish All good points. I think the url format for quick link to follow is social.cloudron.io/@cloudron for interest.
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@marcusquinn a few users already posted their ids in https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7922/the-great-twitter-migration
From the past days of using Mastodon it feels like it is rather a tool for selfhosting by communities and not individuals. Mastodon federates, but you only see trending topics and users on your own instance, not from the network in general. So instead of everyone sitting on their island, one should look for and join a server with a community that shares a joined interest or location.
@nebulon said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut.
Slightly off topic, but this has definitely been a trend before the current crisis as well. There is certainly a market where "my software can do x with y less resources" is a good deal once you reach a certain size.
@fbartels Yes, hence I felt joining a Cloudron community server might be more sociable and relevant than being my own community of one
@girish In that respect, I guess it is similar to a forum, although I appreciate you guys really don't have time for moderation, but I expect an active community would help there?
I'm pretty sure Twitter can't be liable for content on their "community"?
Maybe you have another cloudron.* domain to avoid that risk?
Also, makes me wonder if it would work on one of these new fancy decentralised domains, like .xyz, does Cloudron even support those?
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@fbartels Yes, hence I felt joining a Cloudron community server might be more sociable and relevant than being my own community of one
@girish In that respect, I guess it is similar to a forum, although I appreciate you guys really don't have time for moderation, but I expect an active community would help there?
I'm pretty sure Twitter can't be liable for content on their "community"?
Maybe you have another cloudron.* domain to avoid that risk?
Also, makes me wonder if it would work on one of these new fancy decentralised domains, like .xyz, does Cloudron even support those?
@marcusquinn said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
fancy decentralised domains, like .xyz, does Cloudron even support those?
How are such TLDs "fancy" or "decentralised"?
They are just TLDs like any other so of course Cloudron supports them!
Also .xyz isn't even very new, it's from 2014
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@marcusquinn said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
fancy decentralised domains, like .xyz, does Cloudron even support those?
How are such TLDs "fancy" or "decentralised"?
They are just TLDs like any other so of course Cloudron supports them!
Also .xyz isn't even very new, it's from 2014
@jdaviescoates Could be wrong but maybe @marcusquinn meant domains like the onion/.tor domains.
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@jdaviescoates Could be wrong but maybe @marcusquinn meant domains like the onion/.tor domains.
@girish Yeah, .eth .x, that sorta thing. Never tried, but any reason they would or wouldn't work?
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How much centralization comes with selfhosted services, is always a bit of a question everyone has to answer themselves. In our case we will not open up our company instance. For a start if one believes in those federated services, the handle based on domain should be closer to home for users. Especially this community is about empowerment to decentralize.
In this sense, go install mastodon on your domain and follow us at @cloudron@social.cloudron.io
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut. If anyone has good sources of analytics in that area, I would like to read up on this, as large datacenters with their required cooling, potential longer traffic transit, ... have been popping up also in the past in this context. Possibly even there is something we can do in terms of powermanagement settings, which might help reduce the overhead.
@nebulon said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
How much centralization comes with selfhosted services, is always a bit of a question everyone has to answer themselves. In our case we will not open up our company instance. For a start if one believes in those federated services, the handle based on domain should be closer to home for users. Especially this community is about empowerment to decentralize.
In this sense, go install mastodon on your domain and follow us at @cloudron@social.cloudron.io
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut. If anyone has good sources of analytics in that area, I would like to read up on this, as large datacenters with their required cooling, potential longer traffic transit, ... have been popping up also in the past in this context. Possibly even there is something we can do in terms of powermanagement settings, which might help reduce the overhead.
Regarding hosting, climate change (I am sceptical about this) and energy consumption, the Nordic countries have a good solution. For example, Iceland is naturally cold. That helps with the cooling. It is also naturally hot, with its volcanic activity, so geo-thermal energy is harnessed to power servers. If people want ecological hosting, check out Iceland. Iceland also has favourable privacy and data laws, and has a history of the Pirate Party actually being elected there.
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@nebulon said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
How much centralization comes with selfhosted services, is always a bit of a question everyone has to answer themselves. In our case we will not open up our company instance. For a start if one believes in those federated services, the handle based on domain should be closer to home for users. Especially this community is about empowerment to decentralize.
In this sense, go install mastodon on your domain and follow us at @cloudron@social.cloudron.io
The energy consumption overhead in times of climate crisis is certainly something to consider and a tradeoff needs to be cut. If anyone has good sources of analytics in that area, I would like to read up on this, as large datacenters with their required cooling, potential longer traffic transit, ... have been popping up also in the past in this context. Possibly even there is something we can do in terms of powermanagement settings, which might help reduce the overhead.
Regarding hosting, climate change (I am sceptical about this) and energy consumption, the Nordic countries have a good solution. For example, Iceland is naturally cold. That helps with the cooling. It is also naturally hot, with its volcanic activity, so geo-thermal energy is harnessed to power servers. If people want ecological hosting, check out Iceland. Iceland also has favourable privacy and data laws, and has a history of the Pirate Party actually being elected there.
@LoudLemur said in Can we join Cloudron.io Mastodon? What's everyone's URLs to follow?:
climate change (I am sceptical about this)
Sorry, sceptical about what, exactly? The very widely empirically measured over decades heating of the planet?
