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    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

      We all love Cloudron because it Just Works and automates/ takes care of so much.

      As a bit of market research for Cloudron and as a list of other interesting options for people to try/ investigate for deploying apps that aren't yet on Cloudron, let's compile a list of the similarish "one-click install" type services that are out there.

      I'll get us started:

      YunoHost
      https://yunohost.org/
      https://yunohost.org/en/apps
      https://github.com/YunoHost/yunohost

      HomelabOS
      https://homelabos.com/
      https://homelabos.com/docs/#available-software
      https://gitlab.com/NickBusey/HomelabOS/

      Ethibox
      https://ethibox.fr/
      https://ethibox.fr/apps
      https://github.com/ethibox/ethibox

      Tipi
      https://www.runtipi.io/
      https://www.runtipi.io/docs/apps-available
      https://github.com/meienberger/runtipi

      Co-op Cloud
      https://coopcloud.tech/
      https://recipes.coopcloud.tech/
      https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud

      Elestio
      https://elest.io/
      https://elest.io/fully-managed-services
      https://github.com/elestio

      Sandstorm
      https://sandstorm.io/
      https://apps.sandstorm.io/
      https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm

      CapRover
      https://caprover.com/
      https://wizardly-ptolemy-8fcac8.netlify.app/ (h/t @scooke for giving me that list of CapRover apps)
      https://github.com/caprover/caprover

      Umbrel
      https://umbrel.com/
      https://apps.umbrel.com/
      https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

      Cosmos
      https://cosmos-cloud.io
      https://cosmos-cloud.io/cosmos-ui/market-listing (but apparently can do any Docker app too)
      https://github.com/azukaar/cosmos-server

      CasaOS
      https://casaos.io/
      (I can't easily find the list of apps on CasaOS but it shows them on the website)
      https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS

      PikaPods (not self hosting, but easy App Deployment to their Cloud Infrastructure)
      https://www.pikapods.com/
      https://www.pikapods.com/apps
      https://github.com/pikapods (docs only)

      Unraid
      https://unraid.net/
      https://unraid.net/community/apps
      https://github.com/unraid (it's proprietary though, so you wont find the code there)

      Dokku
      https://dokku.com
      https://github.com/dokku/dokku/
      No list of apps, but "you can push Heroku-compatible applications to it via Git"

      FreedomBox
      https://freedombox.org/
      https://salsa.debian.org/freedombox-team/freedombox/
      Can't find a simple list but check the demo and manual

      Easypanel
      https://easypanel.io/
      https://easypanel.io/templates
      https://github.com/easypanel-io

      Coolify - An open-source & self-hostable Heroku / Netlify alternative.
      https://coolify.io/
      https://coolify.io/docs/installation
      https://github.com/coollabsio/coolify/blob/main/scripts/install.sh
      https://github.com/coollabsio/coolify/

      There is also this handy tool by @rosano that lists all the apps available on Cloudron, YunoHost and CapRover https://easyindie.app/ (be cool if it listed all the apps on all these systems!)

      What else is out there?

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      @jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

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      • P plusone-nick

        plz add: https://coolify.io

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        @plusone-nick said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

        plz add: https://coolify.io

        That's quite different imho (like I would never use it myself as it's really more for developers to spin up their own apps as far as I can tell), but I've added it anyway 🙂

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        • rosanoR rosano

          @jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

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          @rosano said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

          would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management),

          👍 (yeah, some of them e.g. coolify etc aren't really quite the same ball park imho)

          it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ☀️

          👏

          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            #32

            Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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            • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

              Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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              @necrevistonnezr said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

              Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

              Good question!

              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                Do any of these have a working mail server built-in like Cloudron has? For me, that is one of the USP.

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                @necrevistonnezr Well, I went through the list for you. Some of them I could have told you immediately because I use them, or tried them. Suffice to say, ONLY https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual/Email has the option for built-in email. The rest have no email options, or offer email clients. At best, a few offer the usage of an SMTP server but it is one you must have already set up outside of the environment (like Mailgun, Sendgrid, etc.).

                ONLY Cloudron mentions email on it's front page, and only Cloudron then makes its setup so seamless and easy as to almost make a user not even realize there is email! And then ONLY Cloudron offers email clients with which one can use this built-in email service.

                A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                  Found another one, from their description it's an interesting approach: https://selfprivacy.org/

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                  • fbartelsF fbartels

                    Found another one, from their description it's an interesting approach: https://selfprivacy.org/

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                    @fbartels cool! Seems they like Cloudron and list it on their site.. could use a rephrase though as source "available".
                    https://selfprivacy.org/docs/about-us/team/

                    Conscious tech

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                      @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                      Generating tokens
                      Installation
                      Connecting to the services
                      

                      but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

                      A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                        @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                        Generating tokens
                        Installation
                        Connecting to the services
                        

                        but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

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                        #38

                        @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                        Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction

                        👍
                        For me too
                        I've looked at and tried out Dokku, CapRover, CosmosServer, Coolify, Yunohost, Sandstorm.
                        They each have their good points.
                        But overall, none come close to Cloudron as a reliable PaaS deployment.
                        Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

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                          @fbartels But they need us to use two servers?? One for services, one for DNS. And their site https://selfprivacy.org/docs/getting-started/, for me at least, doesn't actually tell me what I'm installing. But elsewhere they reference cd /etc/nixos so I guess it is based on nixos? Then there isa Linux Desktop app... is this what I install on the server?? Their instructions list

                          Generating tokens
                          Installation
                          Connecting to the services
                          

                          but then the text skips the "Installation"... forget it! Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction.

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                          #39

                          @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                          Cloudron has spoiled me

                          One of the big selling points for me too.

                          The way i understood their model is that you install an app on your phone (there is also a desktop app if you prefer this). And this app then provisions a server at hetzner that is installed and configured through nix.

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                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                            @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                            Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction

                            👍
                            For me too
                            I've looked at and tried out Dokku, CapRover, CosmosServer, Coolify, Yunohost, Sandstorm.
                            They each have their good points.
                            But overall, none come close to Cloudron as a reliable PaaS deployment.
                            Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

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                            @timconsidine i'll admit, despite the problems i had with it, it is pretty decent. without it i wouldn't be able to deploy my website, not to mention securely.

                            my website is not available right now

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                              in fact, if i'm bein honest, i never had a website untill cloudron came around. i had no priar experience in html. we went with linode wordpress, and that had close to no security configurations. not to mention, it didn't have any hsts/default ssl. when i started using cloudron, i noticed a big differents. i had hsts, ssl, everything basically. it seams to do better than linode marketplace

                              my website is not available right now

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                              • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                @scooke said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                Cloudron has spoiled me for it's clarity of purpose and instruction

                                👍
                                For me too
                                I've looked at and tried out Dokku, CapRover, CosmosServer, Coolify, Yunohost, Sandstorm.
                                They each have their good points.
                                But overall, none come close to Cloudron as a reliable PaaS deployment.
                                Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

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                                @timconsidine said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

                                FWIW, I found it very easy to setup. It splits things up by having the user make a Project. Then, within the Project one can add Services (primarily DBs, but also just the name for a custom App), or, you can use Templates to install a common app from a list of 242. TWO HUNDRED FORTY-TWO. Since my own coding chops are low, I opt for the Templates, and use it primarily for the Rotki app, but also the usual WP, Ghost, etc.

                                One thing I like about it is a page wide Dashboard which gives basic info. For me, it is often the exact info I'm curious about, so it is handy (you gotta pay to see more).
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                                A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                                  y'know, i'm thinking of posting a review of cloudron to my personal website. i actually once even tryed to get a sponcership with them because i liked what they were doing, and i never had the ability to really do anything like setup a website untill i found cloudron. in facgt, they actually power about 95% of my business and allows them to run. yeah we have some non cloudron services, but cloudron takes cair of about 95% of my business. i do remember my media guy who i won't mention actually having a referral link to his video (it was my link) in a video he did because, y'know, i thought, why not give the viewers a chance to explore cloudron, so i created a referral link. i might go ahead and do that when i make my cloudron review for my website

                                  my website is not available right now

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                                  • adisonA adison

                                    y'know, i'm thinking of posting a review of cloudron to my personal website. i actually once even tryed to get a sponcership with them because i liked what they were doing, and i never had the ability to really do anything like setup a website untill i found cloudron. in facgt, they actually power about 95% of my business and allows them to run. yeah we have some non cloudron services, but cloudron takes cair of about 95% of my business. i do remember my media guy who i won't mention actually having a referral link to his video (it was my link) in a video he did because, y'know, i thought, why not give the viewers a chance to explore cloudron, so i created a referral link. i might go ahead and do that when i make my cloudron review for my website

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                                    @adison yeah, I haven't actually paid for Cloudron for ages now because I've referred so many people! 😄 (although I need to refer some more as my credits balance is beginning to get low!)

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                    • scookeS scooke

                                      @timconsidine said in A list of Cloudron-like services/ competitors:

                                      Trying to summon the motivation to try EasyPanel, but the nagging voice in my head keeps saying "but why bother? time is precious".

                                      FWIW, I found it very easy to setup. It splits things up by having the user make a Project. Then, within the Project one can add Services (primarily DBs, but also just the name for a custom App), or, you can use Templates to install a common app from a list of 242. TWO HUNDRED FORTY-TWO. Since my own coding chops are low, I opt for the Templates, and use it primarily for the Rotki app, but also the usual WP, Ghost, etc.

                                      One thing I like about it is a page wide Dashboard which gives basic info. For me, it is often the exact info I'm curious about, so it is handy (you gotta pay to see more).
                                      0a465da4-81a0-4739-97c2-00f32124c455-image.png

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                                      @scooke despite my earlier comment, I did try Easypanel.
                                      Yes, easy to setup, and 3 apps free.

                                      Yes a large library of existing templates, but the ones that would interest me are already on Cloudron.
                                      Interesting though that they have Langchain and Flowise

                                      The stand-out feature is the ability to deploy straight from a Github repo (remember though to choose Nixpack as deploy methiod - not entirely clear).
                                      Worked perfectly with one that I tested (Libreddit), not so well with another.

                                      And Heroku package support, although I haven't tried that.

                                      Interesting but doesn't displace Cloudron for me.

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                                      • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                        @adison yeah, I haven't actually paid for Cloudron for ages now because I've referred so many people! 😄 (although I need to refer some more as my credits balance is beginning to get low!)

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                                        @jdaviescoates aw. yeah, i'm gonna do my review on cloudron sometime today.

                                        my website is not available right now

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                                          kinda deserves it.
                                          without cloudron, i wouldn't have a business, and i wouldn't have sutch an online presence. i wouldn't have any of that stuf.
                                          not even jokin. i never had an online website, or could never even run a sefitient online business untill i had cloudron.

                                          my website is not available right now

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                                            i just made a reviw of this on my website.
                                            https://adison.blindsoft.net/a-review-of-cloudron/

                                            my website is not available right now

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