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Openclaw - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot)

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  • robiR Offline
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    robi
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    #28

    This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
    https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

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    Conscious tech

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    • robiR robi

      This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
      https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

      image.png

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      marcusquinn
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      #29

      @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

      Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
      Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

        @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

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        robi
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        #30

        @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

        Hence openrouter's auto route helps

        As does this config optimization
        OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

        Conscious tech

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        • robiR robi

          @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

          Hence openrouter's auto route helps

          As does this config optimization
          OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

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          timconsidine
          App Dev
          wrote on last edited by
          #31

          @robi thanks for that link
          still working on my openclaw package, so that will be useful (incorporated if I can)

          Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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            crazybrad
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            #32

            As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
            Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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            • C crazybrad

              As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
              Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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              timconsidine
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              wrote on last edited by timconsidine
              #33

              @crazybrad I have very similar thoughts & cautions.

              • packaging it because it looks cool and fun to learn what the fuss is about
              • I would NEVER deploy this on a primary working computer like desktop/laptop
              • deploying it in a container seems like it could be viable

              I have a feeling that Agent Zero is much better than Openclaw, but I can't really say that until I have test Openclaw fairly. So continuing on the package "just in case" it can help me or others.

              Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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              • C crazybrad

                As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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                robi
                wrote on last edited by robi
                #34

                @crazybrad no fear, the enchanting experience is key.

                Conscious tech

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                  crazybrad
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                  #35

                  @timconsidine I think "containerizing" is a great and much safer approach. I would just not use real accounts: email, social, etc. The fact that you are doing this might encourage me to create some test accounts and try it:) @robi Excellent point! "Mirror, mirror on the wall... whose the smartest one of all:)"

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                    DualOSWinWiz
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                    #36

                    I was thinking few roles for clawdbot / openclaw / agentzero as a bookeeper who with giving access to irs taxcode and postgress database ask him to be my accountant. Still thinking about it but i have to free few weekends for this. Any thoughts / suggestions?

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                    • D DualOSWinWiz

                      I was thinking few roles for clawdbot / openclaw / agentzero as a bookeeper who with giving access to irs taxcode and postgress database ask him to be my accountant. Still thinking about it but i have to free few weekends for this. Any thoughts / suggestions?

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                      marcusquinn
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                      #37

                      @DualOSWinWiz exactly the kind of thing this is for — go for it!

                      Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                      Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                        @DualOSWinWiz exactly the kind of thing this is for — go for it!

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                        #38

                        @marcusquinn but the necessary requirement is to need 2 more bots one bot to audit bookeeper so its kind of more complex and then the 3rd bot as the decision maker so decision should always be 2 to 1. Otherwise it could be a mess. Still thinking

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                        • D DualOSWinWiz

                          @marcusquinn but the necessary requirement is to need 2 more bots one bot to audit bookeeper so its kind of more complex and then the 3rd bot as the decision maker so decision should always be 2 to 1. Otherwise it could be a mess. Still thinking

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                          marcusquinn
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                          #39

                          @DualOSWinWiz sure, you could still do all that on one device.

                          Might be a useful skill to add into your mix:

                          • https://www.aitmpl.com/component/skill/invoice-organizer

                          Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                          Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            @DualOSWinWiz sure, you could still do all that on one device.

                            Might be a useful skill to add into your mix:

                            • https://www.aitmpl.com/component/skill/invoice-organizer
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                            DualOSWinWiz
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                            @marcusquinn thank you i will

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                            • C crazybrad

                              @timconsidine I think "containerizing" is a great and much safer approach. I would just not use real accounts: email, social, etc. The fact that you are doing this might encourage me to create some test accounts and try it:) @robi Excellent point! "Mirror, mirror on the wall... whose the smartest one of all:)"

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                              timconsidine
                              App Dev
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                              #41

                              @crazybrad yep 👍- in my cautious approach I set up a dedicated address e.g. my-company-finance@app.domain.tld and forward manually/automatically emails to it, bot monitors email inbox and works only on those - not full primary email access

                              Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                                @timconsidine Smart. Typical for you:)

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                                  LoudLemur
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                                  #43

                                  Suggest switching this instead to support for:

                                  https://github.com/agent0ai/agent-zero

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                                  • L LoudLemur

                                    Suggest switching this instead to support for:

                                    https://github.com/agent0ai/agent-zero

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                                    marcusquinn
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                                    #44

                                    @LoudLemur has its own thread:

                                    • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/14958/agent-zero-a-personal-organic-agentic-framework-that-grows-and-learns-with-you

                                    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
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                                      robi
                                      wrote on last edited by robi
                                      #45

                                      Some tips for setting it up to avoid the dumb clanker feeling:
                                      https://www.notion.so/ashenone/The-Bare-Minimum-To-Make-Your-OpenClaw-Agent-Actually-Good-311664f6a1e381c4976bdb8d689d2ffb

                                      https://xcancel.com/ashen_one/status/2026383178290569539

                                      YT vid didn't load so use ^ - should be fine now.

                                      Conscious tech

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                                        #46

                                        Packaged, needs more testing though https://git.due.ren/andreas/openclaw-cloudron/-/raw/main/CloudronVersions.json

                                        Plus it's an opinionated packaged geared towards what I think is important but installing new skills should work as is.

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                                        • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                                          Packaged, needs more testing though https://git.due.ren/andreas/openclaw-cloudron/-/raw/main/CloudronVersions.json

                                          Plus it's an opinionated packaged geared towards what I think is important but installing new skills should work as is.

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                                          timconsidine
                                          App Dev
                                          wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                          #47

                                          @andreasdueren well done and thank you

                                          I'm struggling to understand how openclaw being bundled with ollama affects (can be used with) the cloudron ollama app. But finding the answer is deferred below other projects.

                                          Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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