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Openclaw - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot)

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  • robiR robi

    @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

    Hence openrouter's auto route helps

    As does this config optimization
    OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

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    timconsidine
    App Dev
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    #31

    @robi thanks for that link
    still working on my openclaw package, so that will be useful (incorporated if I can)

    Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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      As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
      Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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      • C crazybrad

        As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
        Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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        timconsidine
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        wrote on last edited by timconsidine
        #33

        @crazybrad I have very similar thoughts & cautions.

        • packaging it because it looks cool and fun to learn what the fuss is about
        • I would NEVER deploy this on a primary working computer like desktop/laptop
        • deploying it in a container seems like it could be viable

        I have a feeling that Agent Zero is much better than Openclaw, but I can't really say that until I have test Openclaw fairly. So continuing on the package "just in case" it can help me or others.

        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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        • C crazybrad

          As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
          Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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          robi
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          #34

          @crazybrad no fear, the enchanting experience is key.

          Conscious tech

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            @timconsidine I think "containerizing" is a great and much safer approach. I would just not use real accounts: email, social, etc. The fact that you are doing this might encourage me to create some test accounts and try it:) @robi Excellent point! "Mirror, mirror on the wall... whose the smartest one of all:)"

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              I was thinking few roles for clawdbot / openclaw / agentzero as a bookeeper who with giving access to irs taxcode and postgress database ask him to be my accountant. Still thinking about it but i have to free few weekends for this. Any thoughts / suggestions?

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              • D DualOSWinWiz

                I was thinking few roles for clawdbot / openclaw / agentzero as a bookeeper who with giving access to irs taxcode and postgress database ask him to be my accountant. Still thinking about it but i have to free few weekends for this. Any thoughts / suggestions?

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                marcusquinn
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                #37

                @DualOSWinWiz exactly the kind of thing this is for — go for it!

                Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                  @DualOSWinWiz exactly the kind of thing this is for — go for it!

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                  @marcusquinn but the necessary requirement is to need 2 more bots one bot to audit bookeeper so its kind of more complex and then the 3rd bot as the decision maker so decision should always be 2 to 1. Otherwise it could be a mess. Still thinking

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                    @marcusquinn but the necessary requirement is to need 2 more bots one bot to audit bookeeper so its kind of more complex and then the 3rd bot as the decision maker so decision should always be 2 to 1. Otherwise it could be a mess. Still thinking

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                    @DualOSWinWiz sure, you could still do all that on one device.

                    Might be a useful skill to add into your mix:

                    • https://www.aitmpl.com/component/skill/invoice-organizer

                    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      @DualOSWinWiz sure, you could still do all that on one device.

                      Might be a useful skill to add into your mix:

                      • https://www.aitmpl.com/component/skill/invoice-organizer
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                      #40

                      @marcusquinn thank you i will

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                      • C crazybrad

                        @timconsidine I think "containerizing" is a great and much safer approach. I would just not use real accounts: email, social, etc. The fact that you are doing this might encourage me to create some test accounts and try it:) @robi Excellent point! "Mirror, mirror on the wall... whose the smartest one of all:)"

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                        timconsidine
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                        @crazybrad yep 👍- in my cautious approach I set up a dedicated address e.g. my-company-finance@app.domain.tld and forward manually/automatically emails to it, bot monitors email inbox and works only on those - not full primary email access

                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                          @timconsidine Smart. Typical for you:)

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                            Suggest switching this instead to support for:

                            https://github.com/agent0ai/agent-zero

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                              Suggest switching this instead to support for:

                              https://github.com/agent0ai/agent-zero

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                              marcusquinn
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                              @LoudLemur has its own thread:

                              • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/14958/agent-zero-a-personal-organic-agentic-framework-that-grows-and-learns-with-you

                              Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                              Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                                #45

                                Some tips for setting it up to avoid the dumb clanker feeling:
                                https://www.notion.so/ashenone/The-Bare-Minimum-To-Make-Your-OpenClaw-Agent-Actually-Good-311664f6a1e381c4976bdb8d689d2ffb

                                https://xcancel.com/ashen_one/status/2026383178290569539

                                YT vid didn't load so use ^ - should be fine now.

                                Conscious tech

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                                  Packaged, needs more testing though https://git.due.ren/andreas/openclaw-cloudron/-/raw/main/CloudronVersions.json

                                  Plus it's an opinionated packaged geared towards what I think is important but installing new skills should work as is.

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                                  • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                                    Packaged, needs more testing though https://git.due.ren/andreas/openclaw-cloudron/-/raw/main/CloudronVersions.json

                                    Plus it's an opinionated packaged geared towards what I think is important but installing new skills should work as is.

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                                    #47

                                    @andreasdueren well done and thank you

                                    I'm struggling to understand how openclaw being bundled with ollama affects (can be used with) the cloudron ollama app. But finding the answer is deferred below other projects.

                                    Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                                      @andreasdueren well done and thank you

                                      I'm struggling to understand how openclaw being bundled with ollama affects (can be used with) the cloudron ollama app. But finding the answer is deferred below other projects.

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                                      @timconsidine I didn't bundle it with ollama. Is that something you want to do? Ollama won't really be very useful on the vast majority of servers without some beefy GPU. But you could connect openclaw with it.

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                                        @timconsidine I didn't bundle it with ollama. Is that something you want to do? Ollama won't really be very useful on the vast majority of servers without some beefy GPU. But you could connect openclaw with it.

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                                        @andreasdueren I already have Ollama installed as cloudron app.
                                        I mostly use the ollama cloud models in the cloudron app (ollama pull) so minimal model processing on my cloudron vps.
                                        Then I connect to my cloudron ollama in an AI app.

                                        I'm just not sure what my cloudron ollama is doing with openclaw ! Need to dig into it.

                                        I started packaging openclaw, but paused, might use yours, but generally looking at nanobot for lightweight stuff and AgentZero / Windmill / Dify for heavy weight stuff. So not sure I actually need Openclaw, especially as AgentZero now has skills.
                                        All to be dug into.

                                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                                          Pushing an update now for easy ollama configuration. You should be able to pass endpoint and API key through the .env

                                          To connect your Cloudron Ollama with OpenClaw:

                                          • install Ollama
                                          • download a model in Ollama, for example by running ollama pull tinyllama in the web terminal.
                                          • grab the Ollama API key with cat /app/data/.api_keyor from the file explorer
                                          • install OpenClaw
                                          • open file explorer for OpenClaw app and open .env
                                          • add endpoint and api key from ollama
                                          • restart OpenClaw
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