Wireguard VPN
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On the one site I understand. There is lot of different Apps, they can be usable for many users. For example I use N8N. It's not perfect YET, way but more then “just usable”. Everytime when I see, that someone ask about alternative...i get angry. I ask me all time, why should we implement something new just like N8N? We have already automating stuff and it's working. Why integrate some alternative with the unknown potential?...
On other side in this Case- Open VPN have no real Potential in long term. It's working great. No doubt. Just this CPU Power Consumption is Kill Criterium. OVPN is for me like a Airpords 2. Generation. Working pretty well, but we have already something better. Nobody really except, that we use something like this, in next year's.
I pay fresh extra for Wireguard and so long working, I have no needs to pay for a next Cloudron Subscription. I have encrypted Storage, Email on own Domain and quick WG VPN with Proton unlimited. I can just pay few bucks for Integromat/make and that's all. No worries about own Server, Security and costs. Sure just my case, but maybe I'm not alone.
What I want to say to Cloudron devs- just implement WG in some usable Form (yeah we have them already, maybe just Alphas but who cares) and I will get a great Alterative back again. Cloudron is amazing Concept with huge potential, but must stay up to date.
I work on Project (for private Client) who who would be ready to pay 6 Digits Price Yearly, just for possibility to use own safe VPN without Google, Cloudflare etc. just selfhosted, easy, with no needs for huge stuff to maintain it.
Just thing about... If you would be able, to deploy own hosted system for WG VPN... with
- easy Installation
- Reduced maintain costs (automatic backups, updated directly from last nux Core/Ubuntu etc)
- Open source
Just this “one app” can be enough, to create special WG subscription of Cloudron. Price reduced, just 1-3 apps. You wouldn't get just new Customers, but mainly lot of Attention. And Attention is money.
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On the one site I understand. There is lot of different Apps, they can be usable for many users. For example I use N8N. It's not perfect YET, way but more then “just usable”. Everytime when I see, that someone ask about alternative...i get angry. I ask me all time, why should we implement something new just like N8N? We have already automating stuff and it's working. Why integrate some alternative with the unknown potential?...
On other side in this Case- Open VPN have no real Potential in long term. It's working great. No doubt. Just this CPU Power Consumption is Kill Criterium. OVPN is for me like a Airpords 2. Generation. Working pretty well, but we have already something better. Nobody really except, that we use something like this, in next year's.
I pay fresh extra for Wireguard and so long working, I have no needs to pay for a next Cloudron Subscription. I have encrypted Storage, Email on own Domain and quick WG VPN with Proton unlimited. I can just pay few bucks for Integromat/make and that's all. No worries about own Server, Security and costs. Sure just my case, but maybe I'm not alone.
What I want to say to Cloudron devs- just implement WG in some usable Form (yeah we have them already, maybe just Alphas but who cares) and I will get a great Alterative back again. Cloudron is amazing Concept with huge potential, but must stay up to date.
I work on Project (for private Client) who who would be ready to pay 6 Digits Price Yearly, just for possibility to use own safe VPN without Google, Cloudflare etc. just selfhosted, easy, with no needs for huge stuff to maintain it.
Just thing about... If you would be able, to deploy own hosted system for WG VPN... with
- easy Installation
- Reduced maintain costs (automatic backups, updated directly from last nux Core/Ubuntu etc)
- Open source
Just this “one app” can be enough, to create special WG subscription of Cloudron. Price reduced, just 1-3 apps. You wouldn't get just new Customers, but mainly lot of Attention. And Attention is money.
@kallados I'll take those 6 figures, if they start with a
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.I've come to the opinion that Cloudron just wants to do what it wants to do, and has a glass ceiling to solve with getting more app packaging expertise to do things the Cloudron way, so we just need to use alternatives to Cloudron to run alongside it in the meantime: Proxmox, Cloudpanel, Caprover, Univention, YunoHost, Bitnami, Rancher, Portainer, CasaOS, Umbrel, and more...
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@kallados quite frankly if you have 6 figures yearly for that, then this is easily solvable with providing your own solution to the problem. No need to get Cloudron involved here for 15$/mth. I am sure, it will be just a bunch of shell scripts.
@marcusquinn the glass ceiling is simply time on our side. Technically providing such a package for Cloudron is often not far out, but initial work to a proper package following our requirements and especially ongoing maintenance and support requires time. It is not like we don't package apps for the fun of blocking our users. By now most of our time is spent in updating apps so they can be rolled out, without breaking all the time. Often debugging one app for one update eats many hours.
Further, one can already create custom packages for Cloudron, running
cloudron build && cloudron installinside that folder solves it already. If those packages are well written, then we have picked them up in the past and pulled them into our supported library after some required polish. We will soon work on a better solution to have these available for others without required commandline knowledge. We hope to remove us a bit as the bottleneck then, afterall our business is not selling app packages and the support for those, but the platform to run them. -
@kallados quite frankly if you have 6 figures yearly for that, then this is easily solvable with providing your own solution to the problem. No need to get Cloudron involved here for 15$/mth. I am sure, it will be just a bunch of shell scripts.
@marcusquinn the glass ceiling is simply time on our side. Technically providing such a package for Cloudron is often not far out, but initial work to a proper package following our requirements and especially ongoing maintenance and support requires time. It is not like we don't package apps for the fun of blocking our users. By now most of our time is spent in updating apps so they can be rolled out, without breaking all the time. Often debugging one app for one update eats many hours.
Further, one can already create custom packages for Cloudron, running
cloudron build && cloudron installinside that folder solves it already. If those packages are well written, then we have picked them up in the past and pulled them into our supported library after some required polish. We will soon work on a better solution to have these available for others without required commandline knowledge. We hope to remove us a bit as the bottleneck then, afterall our business is not selling app packages and the support for those, but the platform to run them.This WG Implementation is not the only task in the budget
Maybe the wrong way I expressed myself. We are working on it. But it won't be open source and I find that a pity.No matter what, such a solution under Cloudron would be usable for many I think. Straight for our customer not, but there are many out there who would like to use it-me included. I see a similarity here as with Bitwarden. I used Bitwarden under Cloudron for a long time. Super easy, no hassle and with my own server. The same would be possible with WG.
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This WG Implementation is not the only task in the budget
Maybe the wrong way I expressed myself. We are working on it. But it won't be open source and I find that a pity.No matter what, such a solution under Cloudron would be usable for many I think. Straight for our customer not, but there are many out there who would like to use it-me included. I see a similarity here as with Bitwarden. I used Bitwarden under Cloudron for a long time. Super easy, no hassle and with my own server. The same would be possible with WG.
@kallados Worth searching the forum here for "Mesh VPN" too, as there's a few apps on the wishlist that also use Wireguard behind the scenes to make Wireguard private networking super-easy to administer.
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@marcusquinn Yes, such as TailScale which Umbrel uses by default for securing access to itself.
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@kallados quite frankly if you have 6 figures yearly for that, then this is easily solvable with providing your own solution to the problem. No need to get Cloudron involved here for 15$/mth. I am sure, it will be just a bunch of shell scripts.
@marcusquinn the glass ceiling is simply time on our side. Technically providing such a package for Cloudron is often not far out, but initial work to a proper package following our requirements and especially ongoing maintenance and support requires time. It is not like we don't package apps for the fun of blocking our users. By now most of our time is spent in updating apps so they can be rolled out, without breaking all the time. Often debugging one app for one update eats many hours.
Further, one can already create custom packages for Cloudron, running
cloudron build && cloudron installinside that folder solves it already. If those packages are well written, then we have picked them up in the past and pulled them into our supported library after some required polish. We will soon work on a better solution to have these available for others without required commandline knowledge. We hope to remove us a bit as the bottleneck then, afterall our business is not selling app packages and the support for those, but the platform to run them.@nebulon Just a thought, maybe we're thinking in the wrong direction, and there should be a reduction of apps that are costing you too much maintenance time, if there's better alternatives also available?
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@girish is there any news on a Wireguard implementation for Cloudron?
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@ajtatum been waiting for years, always overlooked. Hosting wg-easy is just good these days anyway...
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I found an update here.
@girish said in What's coming in 7.5:
Unfortunately, the wireguard/openvpn integration has to be done in 7.6 . It's a pretty big feature and it's unlikely to be done in 7.5 timeframe.
But it was also listed in 7.3 announcement 14 months ago.
@girish said in What's coming in 7.3:
OpenVPN/Wireguard integration
And this original request here dates back to 2019.
Consider the number upvotes it would be nice to see some better communication on this; Maybe in this thread. -
4 years down the line and now the top voted-for outstanding item in the App Wishlist.
Although Wireguard is perhaps "not enterprise-ready", as suggested by OPNsense on Twitter, it is surely vastly superior to OpenVPN:-
https://twitter.com/opnsense/status/1654516200896884741?s=20@staff
Please, please keep this app at the top of your new apps queue.Very much looking forwards to the release day!
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4 years down the line and now the top voted-for outstanding item in the App Wishlist.
Although Wireguard is perhaps "not enterprise-ready", as suggested by OPNsense on Twitter, it is surely vastly superior to OpenVPN:-
https://twitter.com/opnsense/status/1654516200896884741?s=20@staff
Please, please keep this app at the top of your new apps queue.Very much looking forwards to the release day!
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Just taking stock of existing UIs before we roll our own (like openvpn):
- https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/wg-ui is archived
- https://github.com/stv0g/wiretrustee is unmaintained
- https://github.com/wg-easy/wg-easy hasn't seen changes in 5-6 months
- https://github.com/subspacecloud/subspace is unmaintained . The fork which aimed to maintain it at https://github.com/subspacecommunity/subspace is also unmaintained
- On a side, headscale UIs are all in alpha . From what I understand headscale app is different use case from wireguard app.
https://github.com/ngoduykhanh/wireguard-ui is running good so far and possibly the only candidate! Let me know if I missed something.
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Just taking stock of existing UIs before we roll our own (like openvpn):
- https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/wg-ui is archived
- https://github.com/stv0g/wiretrustee is unmaintained
- https://github.com/wg-easy/wg-easy hasn't seen changes in 5-6 months
- https://github.com/subspacecloud/subspace is unmaintained . The fork which aimed to maintain it at https://github.com/subspacecommunity/subspace is also unmaintained
- On a side, headscale UIs are all in alpha . From what I understand headscale app is different use case from wireguard app.
https://github.com/ngoduykhanh/wireguard-ui is running good so far and possibly the only candidate! Let me know if I missed something.
Maybe also relevant:
@girish said in Wireguard VPN:
- https://github.com/wg-easy/wg-easy hasn't seen changes in 5-6 months
https://github.com/ngoduykhanh/wireguard-ui is running good so far and possibly the only candidate! Let me know if I missed something.
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Can we expect one of the most voted for applications in 2024?
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Has anyone attempted to repackage WG-Easy or UI already? (ref. https://docs.cloudron.io/packaging/tutorial/)
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