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    • christiaan
      christiaan last edited by christiaan

      ownCloud Infinite Scale, when it roles out. This sounds like it would solve the file-syncing problems I have with Nextcloud (slow, no delta sync, no selective sync).

      https://owncloud.com/owncloud-infinite-scale-owncloud-unveils-new-architecture-for-unlimited-scalability/

      https://github.com/owncloud/ocis

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        ctrl last edited by

        It is written in Go, nice. 🙂

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        • robi
          robi @christiaan last edited by

          @christiaan
          this is what I wanted to look into with Odrive.com and Minio for multiple back end S3 stores seamlessly as one interface for Cloudron backups.

          Life of Advanced Technology

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          • necrevistonnezr
            necrevistonnezr last edited by

            Tech Preview available: https://owncloud.com/news/howto-install-owncloud-infinite-scale-tech-preview/

            Want to take the ownCloud Infinite Scale Tech Preview for a spin? It is pretty straightforward, as long as you are comfortable with pasting a sum total of three lines into your terminal. Sounds easy like one, two, three, right? That’s because it is, at least if you renounce SSL and other convenient aspects for the time being – remember, we’re just running a local test.
            If you work with a linux distribution, you need to curl https://download.owncloud.com/ocis/ocis/1.0.0/ocis-1.0.0-linux-amd64 --output ocis. If your device of choice is a Mac, then you need to curl https://download.owncloud.com/ocis/ocis/1.0.0/ocis-1.0.0-darwin-amd64 --output ocis.
            Whether using Linux or Mac, you need then to make the binary executable using this command: chmod +x ocis. And finally, you’ll need to start ownCloud Infinite Scale with this command: ./ocis server
            When the server has fully started, open https://localhost:9200 and login using one of the demo accounts (user:password): einstein:relativity, marie:radioactivity, richard:superfluidity
            There are also admin demo accounts: moss:vista, admin:admin
            For more details, please visit https://owncloud.github.io/ocis/getting-started/

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            • girish
              girish Staff @necrevistonnezr last edited by

              @necrevistonnezr Very nice!

              https://github.com/owncloud/ocis is the repo. If anyone gives it a try, would appreciate some screenshots . Is it different from what it looked previously?

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              • fbartels
                fbartels App Dev @girish last edited by

                @girish yes, it has a completely different system design a also a completely redo web client. You can find the architecture at https://owncloud.github.io/ocis/#architecture-overview

                I have not followed this up yet, but there should either shortly be or recently has been an update to the old php owncloud server which brings the new web ui as an easily installable app from their market.

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                • robi
                  robi last edited by

                  sounds like it should be easier to package this now..

                  Life of Advanced Technology

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                  • ?
                    A Former User last edited by

                    Never a bad idea to have alternatives to Nextcloud on here.

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                    • JOduMonT
                      JOduMonT @robi last edited by

                      @robi said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                      S3 stores

                      A long time ago I used an S3 as backend storage (the one by Exoscale) with Nextcloud (12, if I remember well) but it didn't work very well.

                      Also during the same period, one of my colleague did some performance test and the conclusion was the slowness issues was more due to interaction with MySQL and seams to be less with PostgreSQL

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                      • JOduMonT
                        JOduMonT @Guest last edited by

                        @atrilahiji said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                        alternatives to Nextcloud

                        Cloudron have alternative to Nextcloud
                        While it depend what you install in your Nextcloud
                        for the:

                        • file sync you have Syncthing
                        • calendar/contact you have: SOGo and Radicale
                          ...
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                        • ?
                          A Former User @JOduMonT last edited by A Former User

                          @jodumont syncthing doesn’t quite do what Nextcloud does. It is a decentralized file sync server where Nextcloud is a self hosted file storage cloud. They are not competitors no matter how much I look at it and ownCloud is the alternative I am looking for. I can figure out the other bits (calendar, contacts, etc.)

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                          • JOduMonT
                            JOduMonT @Guest last edited by

                            @atrilahiji said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                            syncthing doesn’t quite do what Nextcloud does. It is a decentralized file sync server where Nextcloud is a self hosted file storage cloud. They are not competitors no matter how much I look at it

                            not a competitor for sure, but where I find the similarity is in the result: having same files on differents devices

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                            • necrevistonnezr
                              necrevistonnezr @JOduMonT last edited by

                              @jodumont biggest drawback is still the absence of an iOS app

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @JOduMonT last edited by

                                @jodumont I guess I’m more concerned with finding something that mimics the experience as well as the result.

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                                • ?
                                  A Former User @necrevistonnezr last edited by

                                  @necrevistonnezr yes.

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                                  • JOduMonT
                                    JOduMonT @necrevistonnezr last edited by

                                    @necrevistonnezr said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                                    @jodumont biggest drawback is still the absence of an iOS app

                                    thank for pointing it out, while I'm essentially using Android and Linux I prefer choosing solution which support a broader kind of OS (Windows/MacOS/IOS).

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                                    • JOduMonT
                                      JOduMonT @Guest last edited by

                                      @atrilahiji said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                                      @jodumont I guess I’m more concerned with finding something that mimics the experience as well as the result.

                                      I saw you are in Computer Engineer
                                      you might want to read about how the CERN use ownCloud
                                      they really pushed the limit of ownCloud (before Nextcloud appear)

                                      • https://opensource.com/business/16/3/cern-and-owncloud
                                      • https://github.com/cernbox
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                                      • christiaan
                                        christiaan last edited by christiaan

                                        One thing I’m hoping Infinite Scale will do is make it more affordable for us as a small business to run our own cloud server, by way of better efficiency and performance. Sounds like that’s on the cards.

                                        But the competition on this front is peer-to-peer, such as Resilio and Anytype.io

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                                        • nebulon
                                          nebulon Staff @christiaan last edited by

                                          @christiaan I am also very much hoping that in comparison to Nextcloud, they stick to the use-case of file syncing and do that well. This I find is still a bit lacking out there.

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                                          • fbartels
                                            fbartels App Dev @nebulon last edited by

                                            @nebulon said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                                            stick to the use-case of file syncing and do that well

                                            I've been repeatedly told that this is indeed what they want to do

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                                            • christiaan
                                              christiaan last edited by

                                              Is it time?
                                              https://owncloud.com/get-started/

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                                              • nebulon
                                                nebulon Staff @christiaan last edited by

                                                @christiaan this still seems to be the php version in those release tarballs

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                                                • christiaan
                                                  christiaan @nebulon last edited by

                                                  @nebulon my mistake, I should have posted this link to 1.0.0:
                                                  https://owncloud.github.io/ocis/getting-started/

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                                                  • fbartels
                                                    fbartels App Dev last edited by

                                                    The 10.6 version of the php server can also optionally install the new web ui.

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                                                    • nebulon
                                                      nebulon Staff last edited by

                                                      I have locally checked the go version and it appears to work (since it is go it is essentially a single binary, which is very nice) However it looks like to some early version with no settings and very limited features, also I couldn't figure out how to sync from the desktop or so.

                                                      I guess we have to give this a bit more time to settle, but looks very promising already.

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                                                      • christiaan
                                                        christiaan @nebulon last edited by

                                                        @nebulon okay, yes, they're calling it a Tech Preview. With any luck they'll have something ready for production this quarter.

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                                                        • ?
                                                          A Former User @nebulon last edited by

                                                          @nebulon Do you have a Repo where you set it up to run on Cloudron? I tried to make a package and encountered this error when starting it:

                                                          Screen Shot 2021-03-03 at 8.39.27 PM.png

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                                                          • nebulon
                                                            nebulon Staff @Guest last edited by

                                                            @atrilahiji I don't have a repo or Cloudron package yet, just ran it for testing locally to see roughly in which state it is.

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                                                            • christiaan
                                                              christiaan @nebulon last edited by

                                                              There's a Docker image for their latest 1.5 release, although it's still a tech preview:
                                                              https://hub.docker.com/r/owncloud/ocis

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                                                              • ?
                                                                A Former User last edited by A Former User

                                                                I'm working on this but my biggest frustration thus far has been the way they seem to touch every damn part of the filesystem and there appears to be no easy way to configure everything to work out of /app/data or /app/code.

                                                                Has anyone else taken a crack at this or would like to collab? Repo here: https://git.atrilahiji.dev/atrilahiji/cloudron-ocis-app

                                                                Calling all @appdev

                                                                Made a issue on their git: https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/issues/2021

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                                                                • christiaan
                                                                  christiaan @Guest last edited by

                                                                  @atrilahiji how's it going with that? Any progress?

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                                                                  • ?
                                                                    A Former User @christiaan last edited by

                                                                    @christiaan nope got frustrated and moved on to other apps. Definitely still want to see it work though.

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                                                                    • marcusquinn
                                                                      marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                      👍 Curious to test this too.

                                                                      We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
                                                                      Jersey/UK
                                                                      Work & Ecommerce Advice: https://brandlight.org
                                                                      Personal & Software Tips: https://marcusquinn.com

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                                                                      • ?
                                                                        A Former User last edited by A Former User

                                                                        My repo here. No clue why it wont actually show anything in the browser????? O_O

                                                                        https://git.atridad.dev/alt-ron/cloudron-ocis-app

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                                                                        • christiaan
                                                                          christiaan @Guest last edited by

                                                                          @atridad how come the files refer to Pydio?

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                                                                          • ?
                                                                            A Former User @christiaan last edited by

                                                                            @christiaan Oh I imported my Pydio repo as a starting point.

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                                                                            • christiaan
                                                                              christiaan last edited by

                                                                              General availability touted for May 2022:
                                                                              https://owncloud.com/news/the-state-of-owncloud-infinite-scale/

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                                                                              • ?
                                                                                A Former User last edited by

                                                                                This would definitely be nice to have. If anyone wants to give it another shot it seems like an awesome alternative. Owncloud with a more performant backend will always be a good idea.

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                                                                                • necrevistonnezr
                                                                                  necrevistonnezr @christiaan last edited by

                                                                                  @christiaan Public Beta is out! https://owncloud.com/infinite-scale-beta/

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                                                                                  • canadaduane
                                                                                    canadaduane @necrevistonnezr last edited by

                                                                                    @necrevistonnezr said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                                                                                    Public Beta is out! https://owncloud.com/infinite-scale-beta/

                                                                                    Exciting! I'd love to see ownCloud hosted on Cloudron. We've been using SyncThing for files and while effective, it has proven difficult to get new members of the team set up with it. Of course, ownCloud has many additional features besides file sync that would be valuable as well.

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                                                                                    • marcusquinn
                                                                                      marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                                      To be fair, Nextcloud 24 is such a leap in speed, and we're easily serving 4Tb to 100 users. I wonder if speed and scaling Nextcloud is a solved thing 🤷

                                                                                      We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
                                                                                      Jersey/UK
                                                                                      Work & Ecommerce Advice: https://brandlight.org
                                                                                      Personal & Software Tips: https://marcusquinn.com

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                                                                                      • jdaviescoates
                                                                                        jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                                        Just spotted this and figured I'd share in case anyone is interested

                                                                                        https://owncloud.com/events/tech-talk-how-to-join-the-infinite-scale-beta-program/

                                                                                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                                                          • christiaan
                                                                                            christiaan @Guest last edited by

                                                                                            @A-Former-User said in ownCloud Infinite Scale:

                                                                                            I'm working on this but my biggest frustration thus far has been the way they seem to touch every damn part of the filesystem and there appears to be no easy way to configure everything to work out of /app/data or /app/code.

                                                                                            Has anyone else taken a crack at this or would like to collab? Repo here: https://git.atrilahiji.dev/atrilahiji/cloudron-ocis-app

                                                                                            Calling all @appdev

                                                                                            Made a issue on their git: https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/issues/2021

                                                                                            Does anybody know if this is resolved in the beta?

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                                                                                            • fbartels
                                                                                              fbartels App Dev @christiaan last edited by

                                                                                              @christiaan according to the GitHub issue this should no longer be a problem.

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                                                                                              • christiaan
                                                                                                christiaan last edited by

                                                                                                So I see ownCloud Infinite Scale was officially released last week:

                                                                                                https://owncloud.com/news/infinite-scale-release/

                                                                                                What does this mean for possible addition to the App Store?

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                                                                                                • girish
                                                                                                  girish Staff last edited by

                                                                                                  There's installation instructions at https://doc.owncloud.com/ocis/next/quickguide/quickguide.html

                                                                                                  I gave it a try.

                                                                                                  ec315270-7b30-4442-a1f2-c0498267c6fe-image.png

                                                                                                  Currently, it's very bare bones. All it has is a UI to upload files and nothing else. It also complains about could not get ldap Connection on start up. There are no docs on how to configure all that afaict.

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                                                                                                  • girish
                                                                                                    girish Staff last edited by

                                                                                                    It also uses a wide range of ports, not sure why - https://doc.owncloud.com/ocis/next/deployment/services/ports-used.html

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                                                                                                    • christiaan
                                                                                                      christiaan @girish last edited by

                                                                                                      @girish okay then, thanks for the update.

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