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    @girish said in What's coming in 6.0:

    Unified dashboard for multiple cloudron setups - This will provide a unified auth across cloudron setups plus a single dashboard to control multiple cloudrons. Details are still being worked on and I will post it once I have more info.

    @girish Dear Girish, could you give us more info about this interesting point? πŸ™‚

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    @p44 Will do once I have more information. We decided to have an intermediate release Cloudron 5.4 in the meantime before Cloudron 6 since half the features are already implemented and we want to ship it.

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      @girish said in What's coming in 5.4:

      We are moving nginx to latest upstream packages instead of ubuntu ones since they are lagging behind a lot.

      • Why not mainline as NGINX seems to suggest

      • What about PHP are we going to see PHP 7.4 soon as WordPress core consider optimal

      @girish said in What's coming in 5.4:

      Backblaze b2 provider - also new

      You read my mind on this one πŸ™‚

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        would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

        • Nextcloud
        • WordPress
        • GravCMS

        and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

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        • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

          would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

          • Nextcloud
          • WordPress
          • GravCMS

          and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

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          @JOduMonT For interest: Part of the reason I chose Hetzner to host was for their network DDoS protection on bare IPs. I believe Netcup does the same. Surprisingly rare with other hosts.

          https://www.x4b.net is a decent 3rd-party WAF if you're interested in a specialist without CF premiums.

          Also just experimenting with DNS Made Easy and DNSimple as have been caught out with a fair amount of random errors from CF DNS (free but not proxied).

          https://www.dnsperf.com maybe interesting too.

          Lastly, https://bunnycdn.com cent if you're looking for that sort of speed thing cheaper than CF too.

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          • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

            would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

            • Nextcloud
            • WordPress
            • GravCMS

            and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

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            @JOduMonT Also, if I understand right, I tried switching some subdomains to proxies on CF (click on the icon image to switch if you didn't already know) and they worked fine. (had to do some filtering on the domains Apps are injected into though)

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              @JOduMonT We use the latest stable instead of mainline as per https://www.nginx.com/blog/nginx-1-18-1-19-released/

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              • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                @JOduMonT Also, if I understand right, I tried switching some subdomains to proxies on CF (click on the icon image to switch if you didn't already know) and they worked fine. (had to do some filtering on the domains Apps are injected into though)

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                @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0:
                thanks for all your info, I guest πŸ˜‰ I also use Hetzner and Linode and ... don't worry I know pretty Cloudflare πŸ˜‰

                FYI

                in the pass I had user which was unable to login in Nextcloud because of Email Address Obfuscation Scrape Shield
                Cloudflare
                ; so if you activate thas you might have to make a rule for your nextcloud

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                • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

                  would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

                  • Nextcloud
                  • WordPress
                  • GravCMS

                  and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

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                  @JOduMonT said in What's coming in 6.0:

                  would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

                  • Nextcloud
                  • WordPress
                  • GravCMS

                  and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

                  From a security perspective, I cannot recommend doing this for your self-hosted apps. It basically means authorizing Cloudflare to do a man-in-the-middle attack, and granting them full access to all your data, all your passwords, everything... I believe it negates a lot of the benefits of self-hosting ... And you would have to have a lot of trust in them.

                  The only "clean" way to do this would be to enable it only on public-facing stuff, never on the admin interface.

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                  • mehdiM mehdi

                    @JOduMonT said in What's coming in 6.0:

                    would be nice, but also a big task, to take advantage of Cloudflare proxy for some apps such as

                    • Nextcloud
                    • WordPress
                    • GravCMS

                    and not simply using it as a DNS manager.

                    From a security perspective, I cannot recommend doing this for your self-hosted apps. It basically means authorizing Cloudflare to do a man-in-the-middle attack, and granting them full access to all your data, all your passwords, everything... I believe it negates a lot of the benefits of self-hosting ... And you would have to have a lot of trust in them.

                    The only "clean" way to do this would be to enable it only on public-facing stuff, never on the admin interface.

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                    @mehdi said in What's coming in 6.0:

                    self-hosting

                    when you self hosts yourself you need to trust a lot of people
                    all the people who work at your registrar, DNS and host company, their providers and 3rd parties, the developer of your hosting solution aka Cloudron, the developer of all these apps, ...
                    then on the other side you have to trust every device on the network where you are currently connected which means all smartphones, eTV and iFreezer...

                    Life is about trust

                    do you trust me πŸ™‚

                    but yeah I ear you
                    and yeah, and the end trusting the GAFAM might be not that bad. πŸ’Ί

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                    • JOduMonTJ JOduMonT

                      @mehdi said in What's coming in 6.0:

                      self-hosting

                      when you self hosts yourself you need to trust a lot of people
                      all the people who work at your registrar, DNS and host company, their providers and 3rd parties, the developer of your hosting solution aka Cloudron, the developer of all these apps, ...
                      then on the other side you have to trust every device on the network where you are currently connected which means all smartphones, eTV and iFreezer...

                      Life is about trust

                      do you trust me πŸ™‚

                      but yeah I ear you
                      and yeah, and the end trusting the GAFAM might be not that bad. πŸ’Ί

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                      #18

                      @JOduMonT I think the world has change now there's more value in data than people released but capitalism knows and is both; competing to acquire, and exploiting, in ways beyond most people's imaginations - until they find election campaigning shenanigans but don't know what to do about it.

                      So necessary to trust in services; yes.

                      Trust them with your valuable and private data? πŸ€”

                      When Google is reading your shopping email confirmations and Facebook is reading everything with a "Like" script, I think it's a responsibility to have parts of your data world not visible to the marketing world.

                      Privacy, encryption and permissions should be as essential in schooling for the Technology Revolution as literacy was for The Renaissance.

                      So - data privacy politics for 6.1 anyone? 😁

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                      Development https://brandlight.org
                      Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                        There are two things I'd really love to see in 6.0

                        1. Domain-based admin rights. I want to be able to give people all the rights of an Administrator, but only for specific domain names.
                        2. I love for Cloudron to become fully open source again πŸ™‚

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                          @jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0:

                          Domain-based admin rights. I want to be able to give people all the rights of an Administrator, but only for specific domain names.

                          Just getting 5.4 out now, but I wanted to make a post about how we plan to implement this under the "service provider setups" feature. I will try to make a post about it early next week since we will need some input anyway before we implement the feature.

                          I love for Cloudron to become fully open source again πŸ™‚

                          Yup, let's discuss there!

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                          • girishG girish

                            @jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0:

                            Domain-based admin rights. I want to be able to give people all the rights of an Administrator, but only for specific domain names.

                            Just getting 5.4 out now, but I wanted to make a post about how we plan to implement this under the "service provider setups" feature. I will try to make a post about it early next week since we will need some input anyway before we implement the feature.

                            I love for Cloudron to become fully open source again πŸ™‚

                            Yup, let's discuss there!

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                            Great stuff, thanks @girish ! πŸ™‚

                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              I would love to see the ability to use the + delimiter in emails e.g user+ebay@domain.com or user+pizza@domain.com.

                              Other providers like Mailcow or Mail in a box have this feature and I find it quite handy when I am filtering spam into its own folder!

                              Another email feature requests is the ability to create a temporary email from the cloudron admin portal for a logged in user. Mailcow has this feature and it is again quite handy.

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                                I would love to see the ability to use the + delimiter in emails e.g user+ebay@domain.com or user+pizza@domain.com.

                                Other providers like Mailcow or Mail in a box have this feature and I find it quite handy when I am filtering spam into its own folder!

                                Another email feature requests is the ability to create a temporary email from the cloudron admin portal for a logged in user. Mailcow has this feature and it is again quite handy.

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                                @ultraviolet it’s already there, see docs: https://cloudron.io/documentation/email/#subaddresses-and-tags

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                                • imc67I imc67

                                  @ultraviolet it’s already there, see docs: https://cloudron.io/documentation/email/#subaddresses-and-tags

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                                  @imc67 well you learn something new everyday!

                                  Suggestion for temporary email would be handy though!

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                                    @imc67 well you learn something new everyday!

                                    Suggestion for temporary email would be handy though!

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                                    @ultraviolet Does Catch-all & Masquerading enabled help?

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                                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                      @ultraviolet Does Catch-all & Masquerading enabled help?

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                                      @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0:

                                      @ultraviolet Does Catch-all & Masquerading enabled help?

                                      Yes I use mainly a catchall with alias for email want to use to reply
                                      it is something I was doing with MailCow and it work well with Cloudron too.

                                      The only thing in Cloudron you need one catchall per domain while it was possible to alias
                                      catchall@domain2.tld to catchall@domain1.tld in MailCow

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                                        If I can add File Permissions management to the Wishlist for the nice new File Manager please.

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                                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                          If I can add File Permissions management to the Wishlist for the nice new File Manager please.

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                                          @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0:

                                          If I can add File Permissions management to the Wishlist for the nice new File Manager please.

                                          Seeing the screenshot in girish's post here (more precisely the icons of the actions on the right), I think it's already done for the next version πŸ™‚

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