Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!
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Nice new dashboard, search across apps (and across connected apps), matterbridge integration for Talk, threading in email (and aliases back), and Deck now has CalDAV and lots more...
See:
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@jdaviescoates Very impressive, couldn't tell when we can expect it but this link seems to suggest more info on that: https://nextcloud.com/release-channels/
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The new mail app looks very promising as well https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/mail (will only work with NC 20)
Added Threading: related message are shown as conversations Mailbox management: add, move, rename and delete folders and subfolders Unified search integration: find emails everywhere, you don't even have to open Mail Dashboard integration: see all important email at a glance when you log into your cloud Display account quota: see how much storage your account is using Multilevel mailbox structure: no more limits on how deeply you next your folders Aliases: manage your identities Collapse quoted text and signatures: hide the parts of a message that are less important, but make it possible to expand if needed Create new folders when saving attachments -
@necrevistonnezr honestly, if email, calendar, and contacts all worked well in Nextcloud I’d use it. Right now I use sogo because it integrates with cloudron mail and has a calendar and contact list for each one.
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They still need a native dark mode, but I found a plugin for it!
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@necrevistonnezr said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
The new mail app looks very promising as well https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/mail (will only work with NC 20)
Yes, we should also get Cloudron featured at the bottom of that post next to mail-in-a-box.
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@robi said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
Yes, we should also get Cloudron featured at the bottom of that post next to mail-in-a-box.
Great idea, but I think they'd likely be very resistant to linking to Cloudron there as it is no longer open source, whereas everything else listed there is
But fingers and toes crossed @nebulon and @girish will make Cloudron open source again for 6.0!
So I'd put this in the box marked "yet another good reason it'd be great if Cloudron was open source again"
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Does NC 2.0 address some of the data management issues people have been having?
Clearning up properly, large backups, etc..
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Looks pretty cool
https://atridad.dev/
https://lahijiapps.dev/
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@atrilahiji It doesn't seem to break anything (as far as I can see) to upgrade. Might be worth doing? I just pulled down the repo, bumped the version, and deployed via the CLI.
https://atridad.dev/
https://lahijiapps.dev/
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@atrilahiji generally prudent to wait until the first point release i.e. 20.01 or whatever before updating the package on Cloudron.
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Indeed it looks nice. We will start testing an update soon, however based on previous experience we will likely only roll that out after the first patch release and even then slowly across our user base. Especially with those Nextcloud addons installed the installations often break and cause a lot of support tickets on our side.
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@jdaviescoates oh I deployed into another app. I still have the old version hosted
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Nextcloud is now at 20.0.1
https://github.com/nextcloud/server/releases/tag/v20.0.1Maybe @nebulon can have a look at it if it's stable enough by now?
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Announcement: https://nextcloud.com/blog/20-0-1-is-here-with-about-60-changes-get-your-update/
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It is on our radar. Given that they introduced this new dashboard as the default view, I am working to adjust our tests. Lets see how smooth the upgrade this time around will be with Nextcloud
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I've released a new app package now for 20.0.1 but we will only roll this out slowly.
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@nebulon said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
I've released a new app package now for 20.0.1 but we will only roll this out slowly.
Just upgraded, everything seems to work fine! I had to restart the app once, afterwards I could see all update steps being taken in the logs.
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Yeah worked fine for me. Seems ok so far...
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update ran smoothly.
but most of the nextcloud apps are not compatible for the new major version
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@luckow Any on top of your head that are incompatible? I thought we are in the first patch release already...
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@girish i looked into the app admin view again. Aaaannnd magic
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@luckow Yeah when I was testing by pulling down the repo and bumping the version, it seemed like Nextcloud needed a reload to register that apps were tested.
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Update went smoothly, with 11 apps updated too. Great stuff!
Just Draw.io and Retention apps remain Untested for me.
Only done on my personal server as I think work production servers should wait a while for a good month of uptime and anecdotes really.
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Anyone has found NC to be generally a little slower since the update?
It seems mine is. Definitely loading the dashboard takes a long while when opening the NC app (I have disabled now the Dashboard because of it), but even general navigation and document loading seem a little more sluggish than before.
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@avatar1024 said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
Anyone has found NC to be generally a little slower since the update?
It seems mine is. Definitely loading the dashboard takes a long while when opening the NC app (I have disabled now the Dashboard because of it), but even general navigation and document loading seem a little more sluggish than before.
Mine is slower, too, which I think is due to the "unified search" which has to index a lot of data at any time...
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The speed for nextcloud heavily depends on Nextcloud addons/apps/plugins being used. Since it is a php app this matters a lot for each request. The dashboard has pulled in quite a bit of stuff it seems...
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Also it will have cleared a lot of caches, so you should notice speed improve with use.
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With the latest nc package, there is a directory called /app/data/apache. Inside this, you will find mpm_prefork.conf. You should bump up the Nextcloud app's memory limit and also bump the values inside this file to get some better performance.
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@girish thanks for the tips. Do you know by how much we should bump up these numbers and the app's memory limit?
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@avatar1024 This mostly depends on how many plugins and users you have, this is why we made it configurable. I would just play around with those values a bit to get a feel of any performance benefits. The default prefork file has some comments on what those values mean.
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Last night I saw the update available for NC. This made me both excited and reluctant at the same time.
Excited because I'm interested to try some of the new features. Reluctant because I use my NC instances heavily for work and personal.I'd appreciate if anyone is using any of these apps, can you confirm if the following apps are working in 20.*:
- Appointments
- Forms
- Deck
- Polls
- Tasks
- Bookmarks
- News
- Phonetrack
- Music
(I am assuming the Calendar, Contacts and Mail applications are already working.)
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@ei8fdb Yep, hopefully I'm not wrong but I think all of them have been updated to work with NC 20.
You can double check yourself by visiting https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/ and looking up each app
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This is where I wish we used faster more efficient webservers for our apps. So many choices.
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@ei8fdb The second best way to test compatibility (after asking your friends), is to clone your current nc from a backup to a new subdomain and update it to nc 20. That is the Cloudron style
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@luckow Ah, never thought of that! Thanks. Tho' I have a lot of data in my personal NC so I don't know if I have the disk space!
Instead I created a new test instance and installed all the apps I currently use. So far it works well.
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@necrevistonnezr said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
Mine is slower, too, which I think is due to the "unified search" which has to index a lot of data at any time...
Is this speed issue still present for you?
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@ei8fdb said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
@necrevistonnezr said in Oooh, Nextcloud 20 has lots of nice new features!:
Mine is slower, too, which I think is due to the "unified search" which has to index a lot of data at any time...
Is this speed issue still present for you?
It’s gotten much better actually
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EDIT: From reading this Github issue in the repo for this app, it doesn't look like it yet supports Nextcloud 20.
So, definitely don't use this app in 20, or don't upgrade to 20 until it's supported.
As a (possible) help to others who want to upgrade to NC 20.
I tried to upgrade from 19.0.? to 20.0.1 a few times, each time the upgrade failed: the NC instance wouldn't start up.
I eventually tracked it down to the "External storage support for Google Drive" application. It was generating the following in the logs:
Nov 11 20:52:21 [Wed Nov 11 19:52:21.650912 2020] [php7:error] [pid 777] [client 172.18.0.1:46074] PHP Fatal error: Interface 'OCA\\Files_External\\Lib\\Config\\IBackendProvider' not found in /app/data/apps/files_external_gdrive/lib/AppInfo/Application.php on line 32, referer: https://saneux.ei8fdb.org/setting/apps/disabled/files_external_gdriveI had this installed, but not configured.
Solution
To solve this issue (while still upgrading to 20.0.1 and get the instance restarted):
- restore to my last backup (on 19.0.3)
- disable the "External storage support for Google Drive" app
- upgrade to 20.0.1
I tried to reenable the Google Drive app but it has caused the instance to restart and hang.
It was possible to get the NC into recovery mode, but it wasn't possible to use the
occcommand on commandline to disable the app.When it hangs the only way to solve it is to downgrade to 19.0.3 again as explained above in Solution.
I'd suggest not upgrading to 20.0.1, or not using this app until a later release comes out.
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Thanks for sharing this, very useful information. Nextcloud plugins are nearly always what breaks updates. Unfortunately with php apps often those failures are not isolated.
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This details how to use RClone to connect or mount Google Drive externally:
https://ostechnix.com/how-to-mount-google-drive-locally-as-virtual-file-system-in-linux/Then you can add it to NC as an external directory without using the plugin.
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Good News Everyone!
Google Drive now has the ability for managers to share folders, in shared drives.
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@robi Saw that, took them long enough as it was the first glaring omission I spotted when that feature came out to be immediately useless without. Will be migrating to Nextcloud over the next months, had enough of Google & Co.
