What's coming in Cloudron 6.3
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@d19dotca Manual testing of volume mounting revealed a lot of bugs, so we had to rework it a bit. The rework is done (as you can see from our git commits). I have started another e2e run just now.
Also, since we are now in the Vultr marketplace, we have gone ahead and added Vultr DNS and Vultr Object Storage as well in this release.
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I pushed out 6.3.0. We hit a few migration issues, so it became 6.3.1. There are some minor issues being fixed, will be pushing 6.3.2 shortly. Please hold before you update to 6.3.
(to clarify, new installations get 6.3 but updates from 6.2->6.3 will give you a warning that it's unstable. please heed the warning
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I pushed out 6.3.0. We hit a few migration issues, so it became 6.3.1. There are some minor issues being fixed, will be pushing 6.3.2 shortly. Please hold before you update to 6.3.
(to clarify, new installations get 6.3 but updates from 6.2->6.3 will give you a warning that it's unstable. please heed the warning
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@girish what if some eager user already updated to 6.3.1, will those issues be resolved or will they run into problems?
@msbt it should mostly be OK but there might be some regressions. Did you happen to hit any? Let me know so I can get it sorted out for 6.3.3 . So far, I haven't heard of any from the new installations and all the Cloudron we have access to seem to have updated OK.
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@msbt it should mostly be OK but there might be some regressions. Did you happen to hit any? Let me know so I can get it sorted out for 6.3.3 . So far, I haven't heard of any from the new installations and all the Cloudron we have access to seem to have updated OK.
@girish the only things that happened were the logo from the branding disappearing and the app-update icons were misplaced (top right corner ). After updating to 6.3.2 the arrows are back where they belong (although on the left side, but this is by design I reckon). The logo I just reuploaded. Other than that it all seemed fine
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@girish the only things that happened were the logo from the branding disappearing and the app-update icons were misplaced (top right corner ). After updating to 6.3.2 the arrows are back where they belong (although on the left side, but this is by design I reckon). The logo I just reuploaded. Other than that it all seemed fine
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@girish - I see that the mailing lists aren't forwarding spam anymore and see it in the "Denied" categorized email logs which is great and helps a huge amount for many of my mailing lists. But... how do I overwrite this for certain mailing lists which are too sensitive to do spam filtering on? I don't see a way to modify this and one of the mailing lists are getting too many false-positives from one particular email I can't whitelist. Am I perhaps missing the checkbox to disable/enable the spam filtering for the mailing lists?
I have a bit of an urgent issue here that I need to resolve since I have a doctor who's not getting emails from a particular patient due to this. How can I resolve this?
Side note: It'd be awesome if the log entries showed which spam rules were triggered to mark it as spam, so that if it's a false-positive like it is then I can review and tweak as necessary. Also whitelisting emails and so many more things we really need in the email functionality.
Please and thank you. I know the last few won't come until future versions, but in the meantime if I can somehow get around the mailing list spam filtering for a particular mailing list or if there's even a temporary way for me to whitelist/allowlist the email address being blocked, I'd really appreciate it.--
Dustin Dauncey
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@girish - I see that the mailing lists aren't forwarding spam anymore and see it in the "Denied" categorized email logs which is great and helps a huge amount for many of my mailing lists. But... how do I overwrite this for certain mailing lists which are too sensitive to do spam filtering on? I don't see a way to modify this and one of the mailing lists are getting too many false-positives from one particular email I can't whitelist. Am I perhaps missing the checkbox to disable/enable the spam filtering for the mailing lists?
I have a bit of an urgent issue here that I need to resolve since I have a doctor who's not getting emails from a particular patient due to this. How can I resolve this?
Side note: It'd be awesome if the log entries showed which spam rules were triggered to mark it as spam, so that if it's a false-positive like it is then I can review and tweak as necessary. Also whitelisting emails and so many more things we really need in the email functionality.
Please and thank you. I know the last few won't come until future versions, but in the meantime if I can somehow get around the mailing list spam filtering for a particular mailing list or if there's even a temporary way for me to whitelist/allowlist the email address being blocked, I'd really appreciate it. -
@girish - I see that the mailing lists aren't forwarding spam anymore and see it in the "Denied" categorized email logs which is great and helps a huge amount for many of my mailing lists. But... how do I overwrite this for certain mailing lists which are too sensitive to do spam filtering on? I don't see a way to modify this and one of the mailing lists are getting too many false-positives from one particular email I can't whitelist. Am I perhaps missing the checkbox to disable/enable the spam filtering for the mailing lists?
I have a bit of an urgent issue here that I need to resolve since I have a doctor who's not getting emails from a particular patient due to this. How can I resolve this?
Side note: It'd be awesome if the log entries showed which spam rules were triggered to mark it as spam, so that if it's a false-positive like it is then I can review and tweak as necessary. Also whitelisting emails and so many more things we really need in the email functionality.
Please and thank you. I know the last few won't come until future versions, but in the meantime if I can somehow get around the mailing list spam filtering for a particular mailing list or if there's even a temporary way for me to whitelist/allowlist the email address being blocked, I'd really appreciate it.@d19dotca There is not option to ignore spam rules per forwarding list. A work around is to simple create a mailbox and then create a forward (this forwards everything). Let me look into adding an option per mailing list for 6.3.4. This will take me a day or two, so hopefully the workaround of creating a mailbox and a sieve forwarding works in the intermiitent time.
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@d19dotca There is not option to ignore spam rules per forwarding list. A work around is to simple create a mailbox and then create a forward (this forwards everything). Let me look into adding an option per mailing list for 6.3.4. This will take me a day or two, so hopefully the workaround of creating a mailbox and a sieve forwarding works in the intermiitent time.
@girish Yes please. Spam filtering should never be forced without any option to bypass it, so it should definitely have always been an option to toggle on or off for mailboxes and mailing lists (likely defaulting to on I suspect). Thanks Girish if you can add it in the next release.
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Dustin Dauncey
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@girish Yes please. Spam filtering should never be forced without any option to bypass it, so it should definitely have always been an option to toggle on or off for mailboxes and mailing lists (likely defaulting to on I suspect). Thanks Girish if you can add it in the next release.
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@d19dotca If the forwarding work around works for now, I will move this to the next release 6.4 along with all the email stuff. In fact, 6.4 will mostly be just email related changes.
@girish I'll have to see, in case that other issue is applicable still when I convert it back to a mailbox again where spam isn't really handled in any sieve filters. I'll try to get this sorted out in the coming hours and confirm. I'd suggest this may apply to others than just me though so the sooner the better to fix that please.
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Dustin Dauncey
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@girish I'll have to see, in case that other issue is applicable still when I convert it back to a mailbox again where spam isn't really handled in any sieve filters. I'll try to get this sorted out in the coming hours and confirm. I'd suggest this may apply to others than just me though so the sooner the better to fix that please.
@d19dotca spam still cannot be handled by user's sieve filters because the spam filtering is done before user sieve filters are run. so, for this specific address alone, you can just convert it into a mailbox and setup forwarding. the rest can remain as lists i guess.
(As for the fix, I am not sure about adding a "do not forward spam" option. I think it's best not to ever forward spam like it is now but make spam detection itself more configurable which I agree is quite rigid now. So, this is why it might take a bit more time).
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FYI it looks like, at least in Firefox, the update button might be inside the <a> tag for the app itself? It always opens the app in a new tab in addition to taking me to the update page.
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FYI it looks like, at least in Firefox, the update button might be inside the <a> tag for the app itself? It always opens the app in a new tab in addition to taking me to the update page.
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@d19dotca spam still cannot be handled by user's sieve filters because the spam filtering is done before user sieve filters are run. so, for this specific address alone, you can just convert it into a mailbox and setup forwarding. the rest can remain as lists i guess.
(As for the fix, I am not sure about adding a "do not forward spam" option. I think it's best not to ever forward spam like it is now but make spam detection itself more configurable which I agree is quite rigid now. So, this is why it might take a bit more time).
@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:
spam still cannot be handled by user's sieve filters because the spam filtering is done before user sieve filters are run
Just for clarity... are you saying Spam will never forward from a mailbox either then if marked as Spam by SpamAssassin since it "cannot be handled by users sieve filters"? Or are you saying if the mailbox is set to just redirect all messages that it'll still include spam message forwarding then too?
For what it's worth, until all the spam filtering improvements appear in a future release, it may be better to focus on making that optional for mailing lists until such spam improvements are made. Spam filtering should never be forced on anyone (I've made calls for that too when discussing Spamhaus for example), there should always be a way to bypass spam filtering when needed whether mailbox or mailing list, and that option should exist for any admins.
To be fair, I just re-read my original feature request and don't think I made it obvious at all it should have been an option, so that's on me as I may have unintentionally mislead you to thinking it should be a forced setting for all. It was definitely my intention for it to be optional. Similarly, I had also noted in that very same feature request "the ability to set a threshold number to avoid false-positives" specifically because if it's marked as spam to the mailing list it's then completely lost and can't be seen later unlike a mailbox that still keeps it in the spam folder for viewing, meaning it may be necessary to set a less-rigid spam threshold (from 5 default to say 8 for example) when it comes to rejecting mail to mailing lists.
Just some food for thought anyways.
In the meantime, I've created a mailbox again (moved away from mailing list) for this particular user and hoping that all messages (including spam) are redirected to them.
Sorry again Girish for possibly misleading the feature request and having an issue right away, haha, I admit it's a bit of an edge case because of the sensitivity of this particular recipient's job (a doctor) which means that all spam filtering should be on their side, not mine which is why I needed that option.--
Dustin Dauncey
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@girish Weird... I'll wait for a new app update an check again with cache cleared. It seemed to still be an issue with 6.3.3 but again, could be cache
