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"Cloudron Pro" for large scale, production ready managed apps?

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    Cloudron = no toil self-hosting for families and small enterprises with a small support contract

    Cloudron Pro = no toil, large scale, production ready, high availability, self-hosted, fully integrated app stacks for larger enterprises with a larger support contract???

    Building on Mark Shuttleworth's

    at DockerCon 2021 (that explained the potential of Ubuntu + Juju + Charms), this could be an opportunity for the Cloudron devs...and their enthusiastic community?

    Here is an example of a large scale, production ready Nextcloud stack charm about to be released.

    If I have understood Shuttleworth's presentation correctly, based on the inputs of the Cloudron community discussions, a "Cloudron Pro" Nextcloud charm could implement and support a manged Nextcloud + Collabora/ OpenOffice + High Performance Backend for Files charm(s).

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      Not directly related, but does anyone here have experience with Juju Charms? Are they using snaps underneath? How robust are they?

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        Not directly related, but does anyone here have experience with Juju Charms? Are they using snaps underneath? How robust are they?

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        @girish Normally a question like this would see me running off to give it a try, to give feedback, but when I got to https://charmhub.io/ I realized that's a whole other world. I didn't see my beloved Wordpress, Ghost, CRM-style apps right away... but Bigdata Dev Rsyslog Forwarder Ha, Ballot Content Cache, Zabbix Java Gateway (I recognize "java" but was under the impression it should be avoided at all costs!), Thrunk External Agent, Pipelines Visualization, Nexentaedge Iscsi Gw, Ibm Platform Lsf Server, Ceph Radosgw... I'll slowly back back away now. Good luck to you all.

        A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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          @girish Normally a question like this would see me running off to give it a try, to give feedback, but when I got to https://charmhub.io/ I realized that's a whole other world. I didn't see my beloved Wordpress, Ghost, CRM-style apps right away... but Bigdata Dev Rsyslog Forwarder Ha, Ballot Content Cache, Zabbix Java Gateway (I recognize "java" but was under the impression it should be avoided at all costs!), Thrunk External Agent, Pipelines Visualization, Nexentaedge Iscsi Gw, Ibm Platform Lsf Server, Ceph Radosgw... I'll slowly back back away now. Good luck to you all.

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          @scooke it screams "enterprise" 🙂

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            Cloudron = no toil self-hosting for families and small enterprises with a small support contract

            Cloudron Pro = no toil, large scale, production ready, high availability, self-hosted, fully integrated app stacks for larger enterprises with a larger support contract???

            Building on Mark Shuttleworth's

            at DockerCon 2021 (that explained the potential of Ubuntu + Juju + Charms), this could be an opportunity for the Cloudron devs...and their enthusiastic community?

            Here is an example of a large scale, production ready Nextcloud stack charm about to be released.

            If I have understood Shuttleworth's presentation correctly, based on the inputs of the Cloudron community discussions, a "Cloudron Pro" Nextcloud charm could implement and support a manged Nextcloud + Collabora/ OpenOffice + High Performance Backend for Files charm(s).

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                @carrabelloy-0 you already opened a thread about the pricing, please put your thoughts there instead of many posts.

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                • girishG girish

                  @carrabelloy-0 you already opened a thread about the pricing, please put your thoughts there instead of many posts.

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                  @girish ich habe auch keinen neuen Tweet eröffnet.
                  Bleiben Sie gesund und schönes Wochenende

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                    @carrabelloy-0 you already opened a thread about the pricing, please put your thoughts there instead of many posts.

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                    @girish I presume you guys will ignore "Cloudron Pro" for now because it's an obvious example of scope creep (feature creep). I assume focusing on it now would cause Cloudron to go out-of-business.

                    For example, if Cloudron had just raised a series B round of, say, 20 million US dollars then, I suppose, working on Cloudron Pro might make sense.

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                      @girish I presume you guys will ignore "Cloudron Pro" for now because it's an obvious example of scope creep (feature creep). I assume focusing on it now would cause Cloudron to go out-of-business.

                      For example, if Cloudron had just raised a series B round of, say, 20 million US dollars then, I suppose, working on Cloudron Pro might make sense.

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                      @yeku yeah, no plans for this. Closest we have is the multi-host feature as part of Cloudron 7 - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4423/what-s-coming-in-cloudron-7-0

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                        @yeku yeah, no plans for this. Closest we have is the multi-host feature as part of Cloudron 7 - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4423/what-s-coming-in-cloudron-7-0

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                        @girish Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate that. After glancing at https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4423/what-s-coming-in-cloudron-7-0 I became queasy (nauseous). I am being serious. I am neither an engineer, nor do I like engineering. But I've done enough basic system administration (and played a little with Ansible and Terraform) to understand the web of complexity you guys will need to overcome to turn cloudron into a viable company.

                        The belief that "DevOps will make things easier" is true... for end users like me. But for engineers like you, the reverse is true. Sys admins needed to do a lot of repetitive (grunt) work. But nowadays DevOps has essentially transformed system administration into a form of software development which, I suppose, you probably find interesting.

                        Without engineers the rest of us would be living in trees and caves. Keep up the good work!

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                          @girish Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate that. After glancing at https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4423/what-s-coming-in-cloudron-7-0 I became queasy (nauseous). I am being serious. I am neither an engineer, nor do I like engineering. But I've done enough basic system administration (and played a little with Ansible and Terraform) to understand the web of complexity you guys will need to overcome to turn cloudron into a viable company.

                          The belief that "DevOps will make things easier" is true... for end users like me. But for engineers like you, the reverse is true. Sys admins needed to do a lot of repetitive (grunt) work. But nowadays DevOps has essentially transformed system administration into a form of software development which, I suppose, you probably find interesting.

                          Without engineers the rest of us would be living in trees and caves. Keep up the good work!

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                          @yeku said in "Cloudron Pro" for large scale, production ready managed apps?:

                          turn cloudron into a viable company.

                          There's always room for improvement, but afaict Cloudron is already a viable company. They already have enough subscribers to pay their wages and even to donate small amounts to upstream projects.

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            @yeku said in "Cloudron Pro" for large scale, production ready managed apps?:

                            turn cloudron into a viable company.

                            There's always room for improvement, but afaict Cloudron is already a viable company. They already have enough subscribers to pay their wages and even to donate small amounts to upstream projects.

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                            @jdaviescoates Good! I want them to succeed. I neither want to deal with DevOps freelancers nor do I want to do sys admin myself.

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