What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4)

girish

POP3 support is enabled on the server but it's disabled for all mailboxes by default. It has to enabled per mailbox.

girish

So, the status of the release is that mailbox forwarding is being worked on. Once that is done, we will cut a release.

d19dotca

Getting excited for 6.4 (especially since it fixes a bug that's currently keeping me locked in-place with my current hosting provider), and all the amazing improvements particularly around email!

Was just wondering if there was an ETA for us. I know I asked about 11 days ago, just really looking forward to it. haha.

Also a slightly selfish reason for asking... it'll save me from having to pay another month of hosting from my current host if I can migrate off before end of this month if that other defect is fixed which is supposed to be fixed with 6.4, not a ton of time left for me to plan it out since it has to be in the middle of the night (i.e. weekends only, 3 weekends left and I'm guessing this weekend will be too soon, so really only 2 weekends left for me to do this migration so I'm getting a bit antsy).

girish

@d19dotca we plan to release next week, for sure.

girish

Possibly final update: the manual tests went fine. We are just getting the e2e tests to pass and then we are good.

d19dotca

@girish will this be out later today by any chance?

nebulon

@d19dotca it is still in our end to end tests....

girish

@d19dotca I will contact you from support, I think we can fix up your instance so you are not blocked by this.

Main issue is DO DNS is really letting us down this week. It keeps failing sporadically causing our tests to fail.

girish

As a heads up, this release will get published as Cloudron 7.0 and not 6.4 . It's because we stop supporting Ubuntu 16 from this major version and also the format of backups have changed.

robi

@girish

adeelahmad

@girish Take it easy no pressue or rush. We understnad things take time. Love all of your work. Keep up the Good Work please!

LoudLemur

@girish

It is a pity you can't hear the loud cheers and applause when you give us news like this.

d19dotca

Great job guys! Super long changelog, happy to see many of the changes included there! I'm going to upgrade likely tomorrow night.

PS - Girish, the migration went well from you manually adding in the self-signed certs the other day. I really appreciate the awesome support and help with that! You guys rock!

murgero

Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

timconsidine

@murgero : i think the dinosaurs were bellowing loudly

jdaviescoates

@murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

For some reason it is still required for various things. e.g. Discourse reply-by-email features (as mad as that sounds), and I think perhaps sucking messages into Gmail too (which can help people to get started using Cloudron mail stuff before they are ready to fully transition away from where they've currently got everything)

girish

@murgero mostly for compatibility with apps and some services that we cannot control. Admittedly, I didn't want to enable it but it was trivial to enable it in dovecot.

It's also disabled by default for all mailboxes. We also only support POP3S (no plain POP3).

necrevistonnezr

@murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

TBH all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols. Email cannot be fixed or made secure (think encryption or shit like HTML emails)

fbartels

@necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols

^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.

necrevistonnezr

@fbartels said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

@necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols

^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.

Exactly.

d19dotca

Just curious @girish @nebulon ... I see 7.0.2 out but I still get the notice of this being pre-release and not production ready... is that still accurate or is that an outdated message?

This update is a pre-release and not considered stable yet. Please update at your own risk.

avatar1024

Thanks for the fantastic release!!

Brilliant new features: per event log, per cron, app manager role, email data file manager, and everything else...well done!!

Always visible grey squared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!

Also there was a talk on a mailbox manager role at some point (someone who could administrate the email side of thing), is this part of this release in the end or is there more work plan for this or for other role customisation in the next release?

nebulon

@avatar1024 said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

Always visible grey scared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!

which one do you mean? We have reworked some code in the apps grid to support the app operator role, so maybe you hit some regression, as the gear icon I am thinking of, should not be always visible.

avatar1024

@nebulon Apologies, I meant that on mouse hover an app, there is now a grey square button (with white gear) always visible, which then turns white (with blue gear) when actually hovering over it. Before it used to be that you see only the gear (without a square) when hovering over an app and you'd see the square when hovering over the gear.

Haha I've realised this is only a dark theme issue. I've just tried in another browser with a light theme and the issue is not here. So yes, probably a slight regression on the dark theme.
gear button_active.png Cloudron 7
gear button_old.png gear button_active_old.png Cloudron 6

nebulon

@avatar1024 well spotted, thanks. This is indeed a regression. I have fixed this now for the next release.

girish

@d19dotca since we roll out slowly, it will show as 'unstable' for the others. at this point, 7.0 is still available only to new installations and those who check for an update manually. We will start a roll out only next week. In general, it is truly stable (as in, what we have staged might have small regressions) only once I make a forum announcement here and blog post that Cloudron 7 is available.

@girish just curious but I might be missing something. How was custom app installation made easier?

girish

@atridad unfortunately, we didn't make any progress with that in this release.

timconsidine

@girish my Cloudron instance was auto-upgraded to 7.0.3 last night. I have a lot of apps in Not Responding status, with a message on each :

Restarting - Waiting for Cloudron to initialize

I have rebooted the server using the System Info link.

Not possible to cancel and retry tasks.

Is there are any advice about getting these started ?

timconsidine

@girish panic over
They have all started now
Seemed to take a looong time after server reboot
Logs are difficult to interpret but seems like redis was struggling to get loaded.
All seems ok for now
Look forward to getting up to speed with 7.0 changes

timconsidine

sorry if I am being blind or thick, but is there some kind of CHANGELOG for what's in 7.0 ~ 7.03

This thread is too long and too broad for my little brain

nebulon

@timconsidine the changes are all listed in https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/blob/master/CHANGES#L2367 or they should also be shown in the notification about the update in your Cloudron dashboard.

timconsidine

@nebulon cheers !

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What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4)