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    What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4)

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    • robi
      robi @girish last edited by robi

      @girish 😮 👏 🙌

      Life of Advanced Technology

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        adeelahmad @girish last edited by

        @girish Take it easy no pressue or rush. We understnad things take time. Love all of your work. Keep up the Good Work please!

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          LoudLemur @girish last edited by

          @girish

          It is a pity you can't hear the loud cheers and applause when you give us news like this.

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          • d19dotca
            d19dotca last edited by

            Great job guys! Super long changelog, happy to see many of the changes included there! 🙂 I'm going to upgrade likely tomorrow night.

            PS - Girish, the migration went well from you manually adding in the self-signed certs the other day. I really appreciate the awesome support and help with that! You guys rock!

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            Dustin Dauncey
            www.d19.ca

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            • murgero
              murgero App Dev last edited by

              Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

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              ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~
              Matrix: @murgero:urgero.org

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              • timconsidine
                timconsidine App Dev @murgero last edited by

                @murgero : i think the dinosaurs were bellowing loudly

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                • jdaviescoates
                  jdaviescoates @murgero last edited by

                  @murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                  Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

                  For some reason it is still required for various things. e.g. Discourse reply-by-email features (as mad as that sounds), and I think perhaps sucking messages into Gmail too (which can help people to get started using Cloudron mail stuff before they are ready to fully transition away from where they've currently got everything)

                  I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                  • girish
                    girish Staff @murgero last edited by girish

                    @murgero mostly for compatibility with apps and some services that we cannot control. Admittedly, I didn't want to enable it but it was trivial to enable it in dovecot.

                    It's also disabled by default for all mailboxes. We also only support POP3S (no plain POP3).

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                    • necrevistonnezr
                      necrevistonnezr @murgero last edited by

                      @murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                      Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.

                      TBH all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols. Email cannot be fixed or made secure (think encryption or shit like HTML emails)

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                      • fbartels
                        fbartels App Dev @necrevistonnezr last edited by

                        @necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                        all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols

                        ^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.

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                        • necrevistonnezr
                          necrevistonnezr @fbartels last edited by

                          @fbartels said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                          @necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                          all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols

                          ^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.

                          Exactly.

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                          • d19dotca
                            d19dotca last edited by d19dotca

                            Just curious @girish @nebulon ... I see 7.0.2 out but I still get the notice of this being pre-release and not production ready... is that still accurate or is that an outdated message?

                            This update is a pre-release and not considered stable yet. Please update at your own risk.

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                            Dustin Dauncey
                            www.d19.ca

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                            • avatar1024
                              avatar1024 last edited by avatar1024

                              Thanks for the fantastic release!!

                              Brilliant new features: per event log, per cron, app manager role, email data file manager, and everything else...well done!!

                              Always visible grey squared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!

                              Also there was a talk on a mailbox manager role at some point (someone who could administrate the email side of thing), is this part of this release in the end or is there more work plan for this or for other role customisation in the next release?

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                              • nebulon
                                nebulon Staff @avatar1024 last edited by

                                @avatar1024 said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):

                                Always visible grey scared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!

                                which one do you mean? We have reworked some code in the apps grid to support the app operator role, so maybe you hit some regression, as the gear icon I am thinking of, should not be always visible.

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                                • avatar1024
                                  avatar1024 @nebulon last edited by avatar1024

                                  @nebulon Apologies, I meant that on mouse hover an app, there is now a grey square button (with white gear) always visible, which then turns white (with blue gear) when actually hovering over it. Before it used to be that you see only the gear (without a square) when hovering over an app and you'd see the square when hovering over the gear.

                                  Haha I've realised this is only a dark theme issue. I've just tried in another browser with a light theme and the issue is not here. So yes, probably a slight regression on the dark theme.
                                  gear button.pnggear button_active.png Cloudron 7
                                  gear button_old.pnggear button_active_old.png Cloudron 6

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                                  • nebulon
                                    nebulon Staff @avatar1024 last edited by

                                    @avatar1024 well spotted, thanks. This is indeed a regression. I have fixed this now for the next release.

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                                    • girish
                                      girish Staff @d19dotca last edited by girish

                                      @d19dotca since we roll out slowly, it will show as 'unstable' for the others. at this point, 7.0 is still available only to new installations and those who check for an update manually. We will start a roll out only next week. In general, it is truly stable (as in, what we have staged might have small regressions) only once I make a forum announcement here and blog post that Cloudron 7 is available.

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                                        A Former User @girish last edited by

                                        @girish just curious but I might be missing something. How was custom app installation made easier?

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                                        • girish
                                          girish Staff @Guest last edited by

                                          @atridad unfortunately, we didn't make any progress with that in this release.

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                                          • timconsidine
                                            timconsidine App Dev @girish last edited by

                                            @girish my Cloudron instance was auto-upgraded to 7.0.3 last night. I have a lot of apps in Not Responding status, with a message on each :

                                            Restarting - Waiting for Cloudron to initialize

                                            I have rebooted the server using the System Info link.

                                            Not possible to cancel and retry tasks.

                                            Is there are any advice about getting these started ?

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                                            • timconsidine
                                              timconsidine App Dev @timconsidine last edited by

                                              @girish panic over
                                              They have all started now
                                              Seemed to take a looong time after server reboot
                                              Logs are difficult to interpret but seems like redis was struggling to get loaded.
                                              All seems ok for now
                                              Look forward to getting up to speed with 7.0 changes

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                                              • timconsidine
                                                timconsidine App Dev @timconsidine last edited by timconsidine

                                                sorry if I am being blind or thick, but is there some kind of CHANGELOG for what's in 7.0 ~ 7.03

                                                This thread is too long and too broad for my little brain

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                                                • nebulon
                                                  nebulon Staff @timconsidine last edited by

                                                  @timconsidine the changes are all listed in https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/blob/master/CHANGES#L2367 or they should also be shown in the notification about the update in your Cloudron dashboard.

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                                                  • timconsidine
                                                    timconsidine App Dev @nebulon last edited by

                                                    @nebulon cheers !

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