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    RoboMod
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    @girish @nebulon, when do you expect 22.04 LTS to be officially supported by Cloudron? I'm planning to move to a fresh installation when possible.

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    • R RoboMod

      @girish @nebulon, when do you expect 22.04 LTS to be officially supported by Cloudron? I'm planning to move to a fresh installation when possible.

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      nebulon
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      @RoboMod given that there is plenty of LTS time left on 20.04 I don't think we are in a rush to support it very soon. For a start I guess it makes to just wait a bit anyways for upstream to iron out any first hit issues.

      This also is related to binary releases of other components like docker, nginx, ... which we download explicitly from their repos instead of the Ubuntu ones.

      Then further the VPS provider often provider their own slightly changed Ubuntu variants, so also here I think it makes sense to wait a bit for them to settle.

      Of course, if there is a security issue or such, which requires us to act faster, then the situation changes.

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      • nebulonN nebulon

        @RoboMod given that there is plenty of LTS time left on 20.04 I don't think we are in a rush to support it very soon. For a start I guess it makes to just wait a bit anyways for upstream to iron out any first hit issues.

        This also is related to binary releases of other components like docker, nginx, ... which we download explicitly from their repos instead of the Ubuntu ones.

        Then further the VPS provider often provider their own slightly changed Ubuntu variants, so also here I think it makes sense to wait a bit for them to settle.

        Of course, if there is a security issue or such, which requires us to act faster, then the situation changes.

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        RoboMod
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        @nebulon Thanks for the explanation! So, moving to 20.04 LTS first and upgrading later sounds reasonable.

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          girish
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          Since this got released today, I tried to install Cloudron. Mostly everything works but nginx packages are not there yet - http://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/pool/nginx/n/nginx/ . So, we have to wait till they provide the packages for ubuntu 22.04 (I tried older packages but they don't work because ubuntu 22 seems to use libssl3 instead of libssl1.1).

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          • girishG girish

            Since this got released today, I tried to install Cloudron. Mostly everything works but nginx packages are not there yet - http://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/pool/nginx/n/nginx/ . So, we have to wait till they provide the packages for ubuntu 22.04 (I tried older packages but they don't work because ubuntu 22 seems to use libssl3 instead of libssl1.1).

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            robi
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            @girish DB issue was resolved?

            Conscious tech

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            • robiR robi

              @girish DB issue was resolved?

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              girish
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              #16

              @robi yes, just had to select the right package in ubuntu 22.04 . Just https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/f5a2e8545b5e7e5c1d17a18790fccff0a5ea7669 was needed.

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              • girishG girish

                @robi yes, just had to select the right package in ubuntu 22.04 . Just https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/f5a2e8545b5e7e5c1d17a18790fccff0a5ea7669 was needed.

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                robi
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                @girish sweet, thanks for the link.. it's clearer how all the changes in the front end script are also reflected in the backend init script.

                I'll try the new installer again,

                Thanks!

                Conscious tech

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                • robiR robi

                  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-March/000278.html

                  https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/

                  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668

                  LTS for 5 years

                  Toolchain Upgrades 🛠
                  Probably mention 🐍 Python 3.10 and 💎 ruby 3.0 and 🐪 perl and PHP.

                  Security Improvements 🔒
                  nftables is now the default backend for the firewall.

                  ssh-rsa is now disabled by default in OpenSSH 31. See bug 1961833 19 to learn how to selectively re-enable it if necessary. If you are upgrading a system remotely over SSH, you should check that you are not relying on this to ensure that you will retain access after the upgrade.

                  scp offers a -s command line option 6 to use sftp mode rather than scp mode 10 when handling remote filenames. This new, safer, behaviour will eventually become the default.

                  Ubuntu Server
                  Ubuntu HA/Clustering
                  Corosync
                  It was updated to version 3.16 which includes some new features:

                  • Support for changing crypto configuration during runtime. This includes turning cryptography on or off, changing crypto_cipher and crypto_hash and also changing of crypto key.
                  • Default token timeout was changed from 1 seconds to 3 seconds.
                    / Run corosync -v to get the list of supported crypto and compression models which can be used in corosync.conf
                  • Cgroup v2 support.

                  ...

                  Containers runtime
                  containerd
                  It was updated to version 1.5.9. Some interesting changes are:

                  • Update pull to handle of non-https urls in descriptors
                  • Install apparmor parser for arm64 and update seccomp to 2.5.1
                  • Add support for clone3 syscall to fix issue with certain images when seccomp is enabled
                  • Add image config labels in CRI container creation
                    For the complete list of changes please refer to the upstream release page 2.

                  runc
                  It was updated to version 1.1.0. There are many improvements and bug fixes which can be found in the upstream release page. Some deprecations and removals which might impact the upgrade are presented below:

                  Deprecation

                  • runc run/start now warns if a new container cgroup is non-empty or frozen; this warning will become an error in runc 1.2
                    Removals

                  • cgroup.GetHugePageSizes has been removed entirely, and been replaced with cgroup.HugePageSizes which is more efficient

                  • intelrdt.GetIntelRdtPath has been removed. Users who were using this function to get the intelrdt root should use the new intelrdt.Root instead.

                  Ruby 3.0

                  PHP now defaults to version 8.1.2

                  OpenLDAP 2.5.x

                  PostgreSQL 14

                  MySQL 8.0

                  And much more.. Discuss! Test!

                  enJoy!

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                  LoudLemur
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                  @robi
                  If you are trying 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish in a Virtual Machine, there can be issues with Wayland during login. (Scroll to 4:00 here:
                  https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/is-ubuntu-22.04-the-best-ubuntu-in-years:f
                  Mouse over to the bottom right and activate the dropdown menu there.
                  Wayland isn't famous for playing well with proprietary nvidia drivers.
                  If you want a leaner experience and Lubuntu, then there is a LxQt 1.1 PPA here:
                  https://launchpad.net/~severusseptimius/+archive/ubuntu/lxqt

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    @RoboMod given that there is plenty of LTS time left on 20.04 I don't think we are in a rush to support it very soon. For a start I guess it makes to just wait a bit anyways for upstream to iron out any first hit issues.

                    This also is related to binary releases of other components like docker, nginx, ... which we download explicitly from their repos instead of the Ubuntu ones.

                    Then further the VPS provider often provider their own slightly changed Ubuntu variants, so also here I think it makes sense to wait a bit for them to settle.

                    Of course, if there is a security issue or such, which requires us to act faster, then the situation changes.

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                    LoudLemur
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                    @nebulon KDE neon usually waits till the x.04.1 release before proceeding with a major update. There is usually a load of people looking at a new LTS release, and tons of useful feedback.

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                      @robi
                      If you are trying 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish in a Virtual Machine, there can be issues with Wayland during login. (Scroll to 4:00 here:
                      https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/is-ubuntu-22.04-the-best-ubuntu-in-years:f
                      Mouse over to the bottom right and activate the dropdown menu there.
                      Wayland isn't famous for playing well with proprietary nvidia drivers.
                      If you want a leaner experience and Lubuntu, then there is a LxQt 1.1 PPA here:
                      https://launchpad.net/~severusseptimius/+archive/ubuntu/lxqt

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                      robi
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                      @LoudLemur Slow your roll. There is no Wayland in a server install.

                      Conscious tech

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                        girish
                        Staff
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                        #21

                        I managed to mostly getting it working. Some interesting changes:

                        • cgroup v2 is enabled by default - https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/cgroup-v2.html
                        • Private home directories by default - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/private-home-directories-for-ubuntu-21-04-onwards/
                        • nginx upstream has not offered jammy binaries yet, so we have reverted to using ubuntu packages for nginx. On ubuntu 18 alone, we continue to use upstream packages for TLS v1.3
                        • Python 3 default
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                        • robiR robi

                          @LoudLemur Slow your roll. There is no Wayland in a server install.

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                          LoudLemur
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                          @robi Haha! Thank you, @robi!

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                            d19dotca
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                            #23

                            I noticed that Cloudron still has the install instructions for 20.04... does this mean we don't yet recommend using 22.04 at the moment? Or are the docs just a bit outdated? @staff

                            I noticed the Cloudron marketplace app in Vultr uses 22.04 now, so just was wondering about those inconsistencies in the docs and marketplace apps.

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                            www.d19.ca

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                            • d19dotcaD d19dotca

                              I noticed that Cloudron still has the install instructions for 20.04... does this mean we don't yet recommend using 22.04 at the moment? Or are the docs just a bit outdated? @staff

                              I noticed the Cloudron marketplace app in Vultr uses 22.04 now, so just was wondering about those inconsistencies in the docs and marketplace apps.

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                              subven
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                              @d19dotca installation on a clean 22.04 failed for me lately so while it is working with some small adjustments, it is not stable out of the box right now. At least from what I saw is that you can upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04.

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                                girish
                                Staff
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                                @d19dotca So, with Cloudron 7.3, we will make the default to be ubuntu 22. I am not aware of pending issues as such.

                                That said,

                                @d19dotca installation on a clean 22.04 failed for me lately so while it is working with some small adjustments, it is not stable out of the box right now. At least from what I saw is that you can upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04.

                                @subven do you know where it was failing? It should be in /var/log/cloudron-setup.log . If you tell me which VPS provider, I can test it out as well.

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                                • girishG girish

                                  @d19dotca So, with Cloudron 7.3, we will make the default to be ubuntu 22. I am not aware of pending issues as such.

                                  That said,

                                  @d19dotca installation on a clean 22.04 failed for me lately so while it is working with some small adjustments, it is not stable out of the box right now. At least from what I saw is that you can upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04.

                                  @subven do you know where it was failing? It should be in /var/log/cloudron-setup.log . If you tell me which VPS provider, I can test it out as well.

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                                  subven
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                                  @girish unbound related but I did not dig into it nor saved logs. Sadly I have option to test again.

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                                    d19dotca
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                                    #27

                                    Just curious if there was an update to this... was there a genuine issue with the 22.04 install/operation with Cloudron @subven / @girish ? Considering upgrading to 22.04 later this year just to be more up-to-date (I realize there isn't really a real-world issue to require upgrading yet but it's just my OCD, lol), so was just curious about the status / reliability on 22.04.

                                    --
                                    Dustin Dauncey
                                    www.d19.ca

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                                    • d19dotcaD d19dotca

                                      Just curious if there was an update to this... was there a genuine issue with the 22.04 install/operation with Cloudron @subven / @girish ? Considering upgrading to 22.04 later this year just to be more up-to-date (I realize there isn't really a real-world issue to require upgrading yet but it's just my OCD, lol), so was just curious about the status / reliability on 22.04.

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                                      subven
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                                      @d19dotca there should be no issue to upgrade to 22.04 LTS. Take a look at the documentation. Just had trouble to install Cloudron on some VPS that came with 22.04 vendor images. Never tested it again since 7.3 but since you don't read a lot of topics about it in the forums, it should work fine.

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                                        andreasdueren
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                                        How long is re-creating the containers supposed to take more or less? Its been about three hours now and I'm not sure if things are supposed to go this way…Screenshot 2022-11-24 at 14.17.46.png

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                                          How long is re-creating the containers supposed to take more or less? Its been about three hours now and I'm not sure if things are supposed to go this way…Screenshot 2022-11-24 at 14.17.46.png

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                                          andreasdueren
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                                          @andreasdueren Both, box and collectd are running. But the Dashboard is not available. To reboot or not to reboot is the question.Screenshot 2022-11-24 at 14.59.45.png

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