Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Beta

[robi]

@girish mysql-server-8.0 is available in 22.04

# apt info mysql-server

Version: 8.0.28-0ubuntu4
Priority: optional
Section: database
Source: mysql-8.0
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
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[mehdi]

About this, @girish is there a good reason why the MySQL and other services used by Box are not themselves containerized ? It would probably make ubuntu version updates significantly easier

[girish]

@mehdi MySQL should probably be containerized and would have helped here (in fact, the npm test uses mysql in a docker container since @nebulon and I develop with different distros).

For box code, we attempted this long time ago. From what I remember, it was tricky to containerize the backup code. I think the basic issue was that the backup code somehow needs to access the fs mounts of existing containers and future app containers to do a backup.

[robi]

@girish said in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Beta:

For box code, we attempted this long time ago. From what I remember, it was tricky to containerize the backup code. I think the basic issue was that the backup code somehow needs to access the fs mounts of existing containers and future app containers to do a backup.

That sounds more like a docker/runc problem.

• Take another look at Sysbox from Nestybox.com (think runc-ng) which has better interfaces and isolation.

• Colima seems to solve some of these issues in a way.

• OpenEBS for localPV from mayadata.io

[RoboMod]

@girish @nebulon, when do you expect 22.04 LTS to be officially supported by Cloudron? I'm planning to move to a fresh installation when possible.

[nebulon]

@RoboMod given that there is plenty of LTS time left on 20.04 I don't think we are in a rush to support it very soon. For a start I guess it makes to just wait a bit anyways for upstream to iron out any first hit issues.

This also is related to binary releases of other components like docker, nginx, ... which we download explicitly from their repos instead of the Ubuntu ones.

Then further the VPS provider often provider their own slightly changed Ubuntu variants, so also here I think it makes sense to wait a bit for them to settle.

Of course, if there is a security issue or such, which requires us to act faster, then the situation changes.

[RoboMod]

@nebulon Thanks for the explanation! So, moving to 20.04 LTS first and upgrading later sounds reasonable.

[girish]

Since this got released today, I tried to install Cloudron. Mostly everything works but nginx packages are not there yet - http://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/pool/nginx/n/nginx/ . So, we have to wait till they provide the packages for ubuntu 22.04 (I tried older packages but they don't work because ubuntu 22 seems to use libssl3 instead of libssl1.1).

[robi]

@girish DB issue was resolved?

[girish]

@robi yes, just had to select the right package in ubuntu 22.04 . Just https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/f5a2e8545b5e7e5c1d17a18790fccff0a5ea7669 was needed.

[robi]

@girish sweet, thanks for the link.. it's clearer how all the changes in the front end script are also reflected in the backend init script.

I'll try the new installer again,

Thanks!

[LoudLemur]

@robi
If you are trying 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish in a Virtual Machine, there can be issues with Wayland during login. (Scroll to 4:00 here:
https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/is-ubuntu-22.04-the-best-ubuntu-in-years:f
Mouse over to the bottom right and activate the dropdown menu there.
Wayland isn't famous for playing well with proprietary nvidia drivers.
If you want a leaner experience and Lubuntu, then there is a LxQt 1.1 PPA here:
https://launchpad.net/~severusseptimius/+archive/ubuntu/lxqt

[LoudLemur]

@nebulon KDE neon usually waits till the x.04.1 release before proceeding with a major update. There is usually a load of people looking at a new LTS release, and tons of useful feedback.

[robi]

@LoudLemur Slow your roll. There is no Wayland in a server install.

[girish]

I managed to mostly getting it working. Some interesting changes:

• cgroup v2 is enabled by default - https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/cgroup-v2.html
• Private home directories by default - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/private-home-directories-for-ubuntu-21-04-onwards/
• nginx upstream has not offered jammy binaries yet, so we have reverted to using ubuntu packages for nginx. On ubuntu 18 alone, we continue to use upstream packages for TLS v1.3
• Python 3 default

[LoudLemur]

@robi Haha! Thank you, @robi!

[d19dotca]

I noticed that Cloudron still has the install instructions for 20.04... does this mean we don't yet recommend using 22.04 at the moment? Or are the docs just a bit outdated? @staff

I noticed the Cloudron marketplace app in Vultr uses 22.04 now, so just was wondering about those inconsistencies in the docs and marketplace apps.

[subven]

@d19dotca installation on a clean 22.04 failed for me lately so while it is working with some small adjustments, it is not stable out of the box right now. At least from what I saw is that you can upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04.

[girish]

@d19dotca So, with Cloudron 7.3, we will make the default to be ubuntu 22. I am not aware of pending issues as such.

That said,

@d19dotca installation on a clean 22.04 failed for me lately so while it is working with some small adjustments, it is not stable out of the box right now. At least from what I saw is that you can upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04.

@subven do you know where it was failing? It should be in /var/log/cloudron-setup.log . If you tell me which VPS provider, I can test it out as well.

[subven]

@girish unbound related but I did not dig into it nor saved logs. Sadly I have option to test again.