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  • jdaviescoatesJ Offline
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    I'm not sure what's happening here, but it seems after editing the password in /app/data/env.sh now anyone can just click login over on https://listmonk.uniteddiversity.coop and it doesn't even ask for an credentials at all!?!?!

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

      I'm not sure what's happening here, but it seems after editing the password in /app/data/env.sh now anyone can just click login over on https://listmonk.uniteddiversity.coop and it doesn't even ask for an credentials at all!?!?!

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      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      @jdaviescoates
      wtf? 😄

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      • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

        @jdaviescoates
        wtf? 😄

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        wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
        #3

        @BrutalBirdie yeah, I know.

        Just been playing around again.

        If I change the pw to this:

        sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&

        Somehow that turns off needing to login at all!

        Changing it to something this like howveryodd works fine.

        Then, changing it back to sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT& turn auth off again.

        WFT?!?

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

          @BrutalBirdie yeah, I know.

          Just been playing around again.

          If I change the pw to this:

          sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&

          Somehow that turns off needing to login at all!

          Changing it to something this like howveryodd works fine.

          Then, changing it back to sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT& turn auth off again.

          WFT?!?

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          wrote on last edited by BrutalBirdie
          #4

          @jdaviescoates

          This is good info.
          Just in case pinging @girish.

          But I am also taking a look at this.

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          • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

            @jdaviescoates

            This is good info.
            Just in case pinging @girish.

            But I am also taking a look at this.

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            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            @BrutalBirdie
            Did you use single quotes ' or double quotes " or no quotes at all for the password?

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            • jdaviescoatesJ Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
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              I thought perhaps it was a length thing but howveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryodd works too, so doesn't look like it.

              And just to double check that, in case that wasn't as long as the previous one this works fine too:

              howveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryodd

              So does sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRK

              Hmz

              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                @BrutalBirdie
                Did you use single quotes ' or double quotes " or no quotes at all for the password?

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                @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                Did you use single quotes ' or double quotes " or no quotes at all for the password?

                You mean in the /app/data/env.sh file?

                I just edited what was there, i.e. no quotes at all:

                #!/bin/bash
                
                # https://listmonk.app/docs/configuration/#environment-variables
                export LISTMONK_app__admin_username=admin
                export LISTMONK_app__admin_password=howveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryodd
                
                export TZ=Etc/UTC
                
                # Do not change the values below
                export LISTMONK_app__address="0.0.0.0:9000"
                export LISTMONK_db__host="${CLOUDRON_POSTGRESQL_HOST}"
                export LISTMONK_db__port="${CLOUDRON_POSTGRESQL_PORT}"
                export LISTMONK_db__user="${CLOUDRON_POSTGRESQL_USERNAME}"
                export LISTMONK_db__password="${CLOUDRON_POSTGRESQL_PASSWORD}"
                export LISTMONK_db__database="${CLOUDRON_POSTGRESQL_DATABASE}"
                export LISTMONK_db__ssl_mode="disable"
                

                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                  I thought perhaps it was a length thing but howveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryodd works too, so doesn't look like it.

                  And just to double check that, in case that wasn't as long as the previous one this works fine too:

                  howveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryoddhowveryodd

                  So does sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRK

                  Hmz

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                  wrote on last edited by BrutalBirdie
                  #8

                  @jdaviescoates
                  I think the problem might not be the length.

                  Try to use single quotes with the variable:

                  export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'
                  

                  There is a special char which breaks the bash with no quotes.
                  This should do the trick.


                  If you try the command in a bash shell without the single quotes you get this:

                  export LISTMONK_app__admin_password=sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&
                  bash: !W8VwB: event not found
                  

                  Which breaks the export statement and leaves the variable empty / not defined.
                  Which would explain why no password is needed, if none is set because of the bash error.

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                  • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                    @jdaviescoates
                    I think the problem might not be the length.

                    Try to use single quotes with the variable:

                    export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'
                    

                    There is a special char which breaks the bash with no quotes.
                    This should do the trick.


                    If you try the command in a bash shell without the single quotes you get this:

                    export LISTMONK_app__admin_password=sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&
                    bash: !W8VwB: event not found
                    

                    Which breaks the export statement and leaves the variable empty / not defined.
                    Which would explain why no password is needed, if none is set because of the bash error.

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                    wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
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                    @BrutalBirdie yep, it's the &

                    Having an & at the end of the pw turns off auth.

                    Having an & somewhere in the middles seems to stop the app starting at all.

                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                      @BrutalBirdie yep, it's the &

                      Having an & at the end of the pw turns off auth.

                      Having an & somewhere in the middles seems to stop the app starting at all.

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                      #10

                      @jdaviescoates it should work with single quotes tho even with the & char.

                      Good explanation here:
                      https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6697753/difference-between-single-and-double-quotes-in-bash

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                      • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                        @jdaviescoates it should work with single quotes tho even with the & char.

                        Good explanation here:
                        https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6697753/difference-between-single-and-double-quotes-in-bash

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                        wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
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                        @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                        @jdaviescoates it should work with single quotes tho even with the & char.

                        It doesn't. Adding single (or double) quotes makes no difference whatsoever in the testing I just did.

                        Hmz, scrap that. I think that was because I was simultaneously experiementing with quotes around admin too.

                        Wait, now I'm really confused.

                        Using this as a password works:

                        'apwwith&'

                        (hence why I crossed that bit out above)

                        But this still turns auth off completely:

                        'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                          @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                          @jdaviescoates it should work with single quotes tho even with the & char.

                          It doesn't. Adding single (or double) quotes makes no difference whatsoever in the testing I just did.

                          Hmz, scrap that. I think that was because I was simultaneously experiementing with quotes around admin too.

                          Wait, now I'm really confused.

                          Using this as a password works:

                          'apwwith&'

                          (hence why I crossed that bit out above)

                          But this still turns auth off completely:

                          'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

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                          wrote on last edited by BrutalBirdie
                          #12

                          @jdaviescoates
                          Then there is also a bug in the listmonk software itself.

                          You can try the referenced line of code in your shell and it should return the correct string.

                          export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'
                          
                          echo $LISTMONK_app__admin_password
                          sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&
                          

                          If the Bash does this correctly but the software has an issue, there might be a similar issue there.

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                          • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                            @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                            @jdaviescoates it should work with single quotes tho even with the & char.

                            It doesn't. Adding single (or double) quotes makes no difference whatsoever in the testing I just did.

                            Hmz, scrap that. I think that was because I was simultaneously experiementing with quotes around admin too.

                            Wait, now I'm really confused.

                            Using this as a password works:

                            'apwwith&'

                            (hence why I crossed that bit out above)

                            But this still turns auth off completely:

                            'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

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                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @jdaviescoates
                            So just to make it clear.
                            Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

                            Like my work? Consider donating a drink. Cheers!

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                            • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                              @jdaviescoates
                              So just to make it clear.
                              Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

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                              @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                              @jdaviescoates
                              So just to make it clear.
                              Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

                              Sometimes.

                              Using this as a password works:

                              'apwwith&'

                              But this still turns auth off completely:

                              'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                                @jdaviescoates
                                So just to make it clear.
                                Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

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                                #15

                                @girish
                                Please don't JUST fix the issue, I have a trainee right now perfect task for him to start learning 😉

                                I will not show him this conversation and will use this as a little benchmark for his skillset 😛

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                                • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                  @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                  @jdaviescoates
                                  So just to make it clear.
                                  Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

                                  Sometimes.

                                  Using this as a password works:

                                  'apwwith&'

                                  But this still turns auth off completely:

                                  'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

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                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @jdaviescoates said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                  Sometimes.
                                  Using this as a password works:
                                  'apwwith&'
                                  But this still turns auth off completely:
                                  'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjjGfk62nzW@M!W8VwBepYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                                  I will have to test this when I am at home.

                                  Like my work? Consider donating a drink. Cheers!

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                                  • BrutalBirdieB BrutalBirdie

                                    @jdaviescoates said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                    Sometimes.
                                    Using this as a password works:
                                    'apwwith&'
                                    But this still turns auth off completely:
                                    'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjjGfk62nzW@M!W8VwBepYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                                    I will have to test this when I am at home.

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                                    @BrutalBirdie seems it has something to do with the % too (or perhaps that is the main culprit?)

                                    Anyways, if I remove the % from:

                                    sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&

                                    It works with single quotes (but not without).

                                    But with the % included it breaks the auth even with the single quotes.

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                      @BrutalBirdie seems it has something to do with the % too (or perhaps that is the main culprit?)

                                      Anyways, if I remove the % from:

                                      sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&

                                      It works with single quotes (but not without).

                                      But with the % included it breaks the auth even with the single quotes.

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                                      But then this pw works fine too:

                                      apwwith%&

                                      So perhaps it a combination of having % ending with & and length as well? 🤷

                                      But it can't be that either because this also works fine:

                                      apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&apwwith%&

                                      🤷

                                      I've got to collect children from school now so will have to stop testing, hopefully @BrutalBirdie will be able to figure out what's going on!

                                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                      • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                        @BrutalBirdie said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                        @jdaviescoates
                                        So just to make it clear.
                                        Single quotes work now, even with the & char?

                                        Sometimes.

                                        Using this as a password works:

                                        'apwwith&'

                                        But this still turns auth off completely:

                                        'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

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                                        @jdaviescoates said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                        But this still turns auth off completely:
                                        'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjjGfk62nzW@M!W8VwBepYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                                        I can't reproduce this. This is what I have:

                                        export LISTMONK_app__admin_username=admin
                                        export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'
                                        
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                                        • girishG girish

                                          @jdaviescoates said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                          But this still turns auth off completely:
                                          'sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjjGfk62nzW@M!W8VwBepYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                                          I can't reproduce this. This is what I have:

                                          export LISTMONK_app__admin_username=admin
                                          export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjj*Gfk62nzW@M!W8VwB*epYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'
                                          
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                                          @girish said in After updating password no credentials needed to login:

                                          export LISTMONK_app__admin_username=admin
                                          export LISTMONK_app__admin_password='sBd@ni7fjTo2J3KGRKprGm@YXPxXh7FkJzhatxGgvKJ69gAKA^gu4zfBMYjjGfk62nzW@M!W8VwBepYDtPp%QApFVELKmtwkY63LJYVv@DAsMHwxucNHYFjRxT&'

                                          Odd. I can reproduce it over and over again.

                                          Just did so again:

                                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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