Nextcloud Office and ONLYOFFICE
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Hello,
I am a Trainee who is currently testing Nextcloud Office and ONLYOFFICE.
Since I never used one of them before nor have any knowledge about format-types like .docx, .odt or .doc. It is hard to tell which of them is better. Cause so far both are not working as they should. Everything is running on a cloudron-instance. The Nextcloud and the both server we need to connect the tools with the Nextcloud. For that I use the ONLYOFFICE Docs App and the Collabora Online App. In both I just have to set the link to the Nextcloud-Instance where I want to use the tools.
Side Fact: When you have both of the tools activated (and setup with the link to the two cloudron-apps), you have two options to create a “Document”, “Presentation” and “Spreadsheet”. It doesn’t matter which of the options you choose, Nextcloud Office will always be the tool that tries to open the document. When you rightclick a created document, you have the possibility to open it via ONLYOFFICE.
Now let’s take a look to the problems I faced during my time with ONLYOFFICE and Nextcloud Office:
- Problem I faced was the error “Failed to load Nextcloud Office - Please try again later”
Steps:
1. Click on 2. Select a "New Document" 3. Loading 4. Fail "Failed to load Nextcloud Office - Please try again later" (Same with existing Documents) - it was hard to find the solution cause I am just at the beginning of my education and I didn’t set up the Nextcloud most of the fixes didn’t seem like they could fit to my problem - to try diff settings I created a whole new Nextcloud Instance and tried some settings → it didn’t work either (even tho it was a fully fresh system) - after some time I found out that the WOPI IP-Adress wasn’t correct (on the old Nextcloud-Instance) - I removed it, and apparently it worked (on the old Nextcloud-Instance)- The problem with .odt documents
Steps:
1. Tried to open an .odt Document 2. Connected to the Nextcloud Office UI 3. Nothing loaded in the Document 4. Notification in the top left corner > "admin disconnected" (I was the admin) 5. It connects and disconnects till I close the document - the basic format you get with Nextcloud Office (unless you changed the settings) is .odt - now I tried to open a document.odt, the file opens but then I always get the notification “admin - disconnected”, then it connects again and disconnects again=> this means I can’t do anything with the file
Why?
- When I have a .odt-File in ONLYOFFICE and I want to print it, the print preview is empty. When I convert the .odt to .docx with ONLYOFFICE the print preview is broke any fix?
Steps:
1. Opened any .odt File 2. cmd + p to print 3. print preview is empty 4. convert the .odt to .docx via ONLYOFFICE 5. cmd + p to print 6. print preview looked diff then the original document-
I again created a new instance to make some more tests to find out if we should use ONLYOFFICE or Nextcloud Office.
- I installed a completely fresh Nextcloud as a Cloudron App and also 2 new Apps for the tools. ONLYOFFICE Docs and Collabora Online
- Even with the same settings from the old instance for Nextcloud Office I get the error “Failed to load Nextcloud Office - please try again later”
- When I check the console while opening/ creating a file with Nextcloud Office I see this error: “FAILED
→ loadingTimeout Office.vue:202” - ONLYOFFICE works just fine
Steps:
1. Click on the "+" 2. Select a "New Document" 3. Loading 4. Fail "Failed to load Nextcloud Office - Please try again later" (Same with existing Documents)It is kinda frustrating when you just want to test the usability and nothing works as expected. Maybe it would be easier if I had the necessary knowledge.
Do you guys also had so much trouble with setting it up?Cause I don’t get how something that simple is so confusing to set up and use
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Welcome here!
I don't know much about Nextcloud Office as such, but for onlyoffice, have you seen the instructions at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/onlyoffice/ ?
There is also collabora office https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/collabora/ btw
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@nebulon The setup is not the issue I checked that. (@lassgutsein is my Azubi
)Problem is that certain documents mangle both solutions in different ways.
Collabora as a cloudron app results in a invite reconnect loop.
Like is opening the server trying to load the document, something does not work and disconnect and try again (looping).OnlyOffice some times works but mangles the print output and document it self when converted from odt => docx.
If the internal Collabora app of Nextcloud is used the documents works fine.
I suspect its something with either the German nature of the document or some strange format.
No clue! Super strange, super random, much confusion.
@lassgutsein could also provide such files for testing. -
@BrutalBirdie hm not sure if this is then related to Cloudron as such?
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I'd really suggest testing each office suite separately.
I've tried connecting both ONLYOFFICE and Collabora Online Couldron apps to my Cloudron Nextcloud at the same time before and whilst it did kinda sorta work, it resulted in all sorts of confusing strangeness.
So test each one separately.
First test Nextcloud Office as it's pre-installed.
Then disable Nextcloud Office and install and test ONLYOFFICE.
Then disable ONLYOFFICE and install test Collabora Online.
Also, when testing this stuff it's very important to tell the office suites which file formats you want to use it with, e.g. in
/settings/admin/onlyoffice
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@staff
Ehmm I took a look.root@06f691cd-b8e4-4043-a79d-59ab14766ad4:/app/code# apt list --installed | grep -i collabora WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. collaboraoffice-ure/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-calc/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-core/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-draw/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-en-us/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-extension-pdf-import/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-graphicfilter/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-images/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-impress/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-math/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ooofonts/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ooolinguistic/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-writer/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local]This seemed suspicious to me.. since the official docker image installs so much more.
for all the other languages.
The Cloudron app version is currently only installingcollaboraofficebasis-en-usbut we can not assume all documents are English.so I simply installed all the collaboraofficebasis-* packages like in the official docker file, and Lo and behold. It just works now.
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Thank you!
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@BrutalBirdie said in Nextcloud Office and ONLYOFFICE:
apt list --installed | grep -i collabora
Thanks! I pushed a new package now.
root@81c77516-fe23-4147-9e11-b72f649e5a02:/app/code# apt list --installed | grep -i collabora WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. collaboraoffice-dict-ar/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-bg/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-br/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-ca/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-cs/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-da/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-de/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-el/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-en/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-es/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-et/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-fr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-gd/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-gl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-gu/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-he/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-hi/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-hr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-hu/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-id/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-is/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-it/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-ko/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-lt/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-lv/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-nl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-no/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-oc/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-pl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-pt-br/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-pt-pt/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-ro/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-ru/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-sk/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-sl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-sr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-sv/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-te/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-tr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-uk/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-dict-vi/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice-ure/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraoffice/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ar/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-as/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ast/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-base-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-base/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-bg/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-bn-in/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-br/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ca-valencia/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ca/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-calc-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-calc/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-core-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-core/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-cs/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-cy/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-da/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-de/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-draw/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-el/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-en-gb/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-en-us/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-es/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-et/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-eu/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-extension-pdf-import-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-extension-pdf-import/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-fi/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-fr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ga/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-gd/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-gl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-graphicfilter-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-graphicfilter/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-gu/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-he/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-hi/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-hr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-hu/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-id/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-images/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-impress-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-impress/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-is/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-it/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ja/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-km/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-kn/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ko/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-librelogo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-libreofficekit-data/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-lt/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-lv/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-math-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-math/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ml/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-mr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-nb/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-nl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-nn/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-oc/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ooofonts/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ooolinguistic/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-or/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pa-in/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pt-br/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pt/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-python-script-provider/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pyuno-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-pyuno/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ro/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ru/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-sk/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-sl/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-sr-latn/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-sr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-sv/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-ta/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-te/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-tr/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-uk/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-vi/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-writer-debuginfo/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-writer/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-xsltfilter/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-zh-cn/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] collaboraofficebasis-zh-tw/now 22.05.13-1 amd64 [installed,local] -
TBH I don't use the Cloudron Collabora app in Nextcloud. Just the Nextcloud Office App, which us basically the same thing, just one less part to maintain.
Since Collabora/Nextcloud Office has improved so much, I don't need or miss Only Office. I think it might have a couple of missing features that Collabora/Nextcloud Office doesn't (less Print Preview options I seem to remember), but I don't miss them.
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