Installing Cloudron after other software has been setup
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@marcusquinn said in [SOLVED] Installing Cloudron after other software has been setup:
@LoudLemur Proxmox and Sysbox are different. I think what you're describing with QubesOS is essentially Docker. My recommendations is to try Proxmox on a local mini-pc or a host VPS. Hetzner offers it as an install mount image option, and Contabo VPSs are Proxmox. All VPSs are hypervisors of one kind or another.
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@LoudLemur Maybe get one of these with the most RAM you can budget for, and setup as your own Proxmox hosting. I think you'll find it very easy, dynamic and enjoyable setup:
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@marcusquinn I realize I could just google this, but since your mind is on it I thought I'd ask here and now: Are you saying that on that little computer one could install proxmox on it, and then using proxmox one would then create a separate VM on it which to install Cloudron (meaning, proxmox creates an Ubuntu 22 VM, one just ssh's into it, or whatever, and then install Cloudron from within it)? Cloudron then creates whatever number of Docker containers/images WITHIN that Cloudron VM, or does it make new ones parallel to it? Meaning, a totally different Docker app could access a MySQL container that a Cloudron app auto-created?
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@scooke Pretty-much that, yes. Create as many VMs as you like. Any x68 OSes. Each works as well as if it were the only OS on bare-metal, you just have some useful extra tools to manager the resources and disk image.
I think once you understand what the hypervisor layer tools can do, you'll worry less about the what Cloudron does or doesn't do, because you can do anything you need a layer above or alongside in the meantime. You can even create Cloudon clustering and failover strategies if you're pursuing the high-availability grail.
If you can setup Cloudron, I'm sure you'll find Proxmox easy enough. No license costs, so only your time-costs to try it.
In fact, there's many apps that don't make sense as Cloudron apps, but should also be treated like Cloudron, and installed as the only app on a VM. FreePBX is a good example of that. Arguable, any other apps you want to run with vendor support ought to just be on a plain VM, too, since that ensures each could be supported independently.
Cloudron makes a ton of things easier, but I would take that time saves, and apply it to learning the non-Cloudron ways to build other apps to test in vanilla VMs or Docker. Then, if they make more sense to automate some of the setup and maintenance as Cloudron Apps, you'll know it's worth the effort.
Many app requests here are just so we can trial an app, without knowing if it will get used long-term. This strategy somewhat enables you to do that, without being dependant on app packaging.
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@marcusquinn Thanks very much. I am more keen to try now.
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@LoudLemur the way I understand it ....
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@timconsidine Thanks! That clearly depicts it. I hope that might work. I wonder how well Cloudron would do on Proxmox.
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What sysbox does is make the average docker container more VM like without the overhead. No need for a hypervisor (Proxmox) and separate OSes.
More on that here which will be useful for @staff and Cloudron v8.x:
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@marcusquinn Thank you very much indeed. I am getting fired up, now! Haha! Will just have to set aside some time. I really want to try out some ideas.
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@LoudLemur I think you'll find it surprisingly easy and empowering.
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@marcusquinn said in Installing Cloudron after other software has been setup:
@LoudLemur I think you'll find it surprisingly easy and empowering.
HAha! That is exactly what I wanted to hear! haha. There is no time like the present...
You are great, and cheers!
