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Anyone ever tried to package this? I notice we still don't have any good double entry accounting app on the store and this one seems very promising and committed to self hosting.

@joseph said:

@lukasp existing users (both paid and free) are grandfathered to previous plans. new plans only apply to new users.

Do you mean this is per user rather than per license? I'm an existing user for years, if I want to set-up a new Cloudron instance and say I buy a Pro plan, do I benefit from the Max features?

Thanks for clarifying. I use webmail on mobile, as while I have an email app (the excellent FairEmail), I don't have and don't want to have all my email addresses on there.

Hello,

I noticed that on the mobile the app keep a two column view which makes it hard to read message content as it is squeezed on the right column (even when resizing the column to th maximum). It feels like on mobile, when clicking on a message, the message should come full screen, with an option to close the message to come back to the mailbox view.

This is brilliant! So neat and pleasing to use. Well done.

@girish said:

@avatar1024 said:

Does that means one cannot use an external relay to replace the built in SMTP server if we use mailing lists (or the mailbox + forward implementation in Cloudron 10) - given most likely senders and mailing lists members with use random email providers?

Yes, with a typical smart host / relay you cannot keep the original sender on list/forward delivery to Gmail/Posteo/etc.

I want to mention that this is for the forwarding feature. Forwarding requires From address to be preserved. A mailing list behaves differently. It rewrites From/Reply-To etc and makes itself the originator of the email. This feature was never implemented in Cloudron. The forwarding feature was incorrectly labeled as mailing list and this misnaming is fixed in Cloudron 10.

I guess we have to look into Distribution lists/mailing lists for the next releases, if you are interested in this. But the From address will change, not sure if it will work for your use case. It's usually meant for group@example.com or list@example.com style workflows.

Thanks Girish, and yes a mailing list feature will be useful for some of my use case.

I guess the point here is that it's a shame there isn't a way to use an external relay as a blanket replacement (i.e. covering all email features including forwarding) to the built-in SMTP server cause those services have added features to ensure reliable delivery (say when the server has a bad IP rep and gets regularly blocked notably by Microsoft stupid IP range blacklist approach).

@girish said:

@avatar1024 external relay services will only relay addresses that you added to them explicitly. So if you added foo.com into postmark, postmark will only relay email address which have From as *@foo.com .

The idea of mail forwarding is that the From address has to be that of the original. So, the From address has to set to say someone@posteo.com . Postmark will reject these emails (correctly).

So to summarize: domain-locked relays and keeping the original sender on forwards/lists do not go together. You can relay or you can transparently forward third-party mail, not both. There's nothing Cloudron can do about this from what I know.

Thanks for the explainer @girish. Does that means one cannot use an external relay to replace the built in SMTP server if we use mailing lists (or the mailbox + forward implementation in Cloudron 10) - given most likely senders and mailing lists members with use random email providers?

@girish said:

I read the thread quickly but it relates to Gmail sending quotas. Not sure what Cloudron can do here?

@girish Surely there is something to be done in the implementation of mailing lists since it only fails when using the native claudron mailing list function but works fine when "reproducing" the mailing function using forwarding in roundcube (I.e. sending to one mailbax that forwards to the same addresses than those in the mailing list).

With Cloudron 10 it may be redundant given you've done an overhaul of the mailing function, but I wonder whether the new implementation solves this problem?

May not be related but I faced issues with those kinds of double forwarding even before Cloudron 10: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/99639

Do we know why this has been marked as solved?

Do we know why this has been marked as solved?

@mirotalk do you think it'd be possible host MiroTalk WEB on Cloudron to manage the other MiroTalk Apps installed on a given Cloudron instance? And if so do you think you could point app devs on how to do it?

Thanks for investigating! Until this is resolve I'll delete the outdated backups manually by moving them into an "oldbackups" directory (inside the cloudronbackup directory) and then use rm -rf on the oldbackups directory periodically.

@james Thanks for looking into this. Here is the output on one instance:

                      id: 59c06c3d-1e12-42ec-b63b-5259c8fed962
                    name: Default
                  format: rsync
                schedule: 00 00 2,20 * * *
           retentionJson: {"keepDaily":7,"keepWeekly":4,"keepMonthly":12}
                  prefix: 
               remoteDir: /home/Gauthier/Backup
               mountPath: /mnt/cloudronbackup

And on another:

           id: 547c3c3f-b9ee-42ff-afce-c7c84d259d2a
         name: Default
       format: rsync
     schedule: 00 00 1,20 * * *
retentionJson: {"keepDaily":7,"keepWeekly":4,"keepMonthly":12}
       prefix: 
    remoteDir: /home/Catalyst
    mountPath: /mnt/cloudronbackup

Very sorry if I'm missing something, but on all four instances, I have a lot more backups in the /mnt/cloudronbackups folder than it is indicated in the system backup UI (and I have of ran the Cleanup backups). And many of those extra backups are full system backups, not just apps. It's all taking a lot of disk space.

All instance have the same retention policy (7 daily, 4 weekly, 12 monthly). The same backups are kept (i.e. the one you'd expect and the extra ones) across the instances. All on Cloudron 9.2.0 and backup are done to a Hetzner Storage Boxes via sshfs (backups work fine and don't fail).

See below (this instance has two backup sites but it is exactly the same in my other instances with only one site).

List in the UI:

List of extra backups when looking on the server in one of the destination/site:

2025-11-24-020001-775/
2025-11-24-200003-317/
2025-11-25-000004-116/
2025-11-25-000004-134/
2025-11-25-020000-944/
2025-11-25-200002-370/
2025-11-26-000002-747/
2025-11-26-000003-541/
2025-11-26-020002-743/
2025-11-27-000003-874/
2025-11-27-000003-894/
2025-11-27-020002-177/
2025-11-27-200001-554/
2025-11-28-000004-839/
2025-11-28-000004-863/
2025-11-28-000004-870/
2025-11-28-020003-088/
2025-11-28-200002-609/
2025-11-29-000004-020/
2025-11-29-000004-033/
2025-11-29-020001-581/
2025-11-29-200002-954/
2025-11-30-000005-062/
2025-11-30-000005-202/
2025-11-30-020002-334/
2025-11-30-200002-886/
2025-12-01-020002-183/
2025-12-01-200001-170/
2025-12-02-000036-269/
2025-12-02-200001-204/
2025-12-03-000003-456/
2025-12-03-000003-475/
2025-12-03-000007-241/
2025-12-03-000116-661/
2025-12-03-200002-535/
2025-12-04-000003-485/
2025-12-04-020001-979/
2025-12-04-200002-109/
2025-12-05-000004-026/
2025-12-05-000004-067/
2025-12-05-020002-069/
2025-12-05-200002-143/
2025-12-06-000002-548/
2025-12-06-020001-722/
2025-12-06-200002-316/
2025-12-07-000003-406/
2025-12-07-000003-522/
2025-12-07-000004-038/
2025-12-07-020002-079/
2025-12-07-200001-196/
2025-12-08-000002-828/
2025-12-08-000003-651/
2025-12-08-020002-276/
2025-12-08-200002-830/
2025-12-09-000003-032/
2025-12-09-020001-194/
2025-12-09-200003-137/
2025-12-10-020002-814/
2025-12-10-200002-980/
2025-12-11-000003-287/
2025-12-11-000004-063/
2025-12-11-020001-449/
2025-12-11-200002-746/
2025-12-12-000003-234/
2025-12-12-000003-433/
2025-12-12-000003-929/
2025-12-12-020002-323/
2025-12-12-200002-763/
2025-12-13-000004-303/
2025-12-13-000004-356/
2025-12-13-000004-415/
2025-12-13-020001-174/
2025-12-13-200003-186/
2025-12-14-020002-057/
2025-12-14-200002-594/
2025-12-15-000002-844/
2025-12-15-000003-371/
2025-12-15-020001-954/
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2025-12-16-000004-137/
2025-12-16-000004-236/
2025-12-16-020002-431/
2025-12-17-200005-095/
2025-12-18-000003-425/
2025-12-18-000003-748/
2025-12-18-000003-887/
2025-12-18-000052-127/
2025-12-18-000052-232/
2025-12-18-020002-225/
2025-12-18-200002-644/
2025-12-19-000005-246/
2025-12-19-000005-351/
2025-12-19-020001-211/
2025-12-20-000003-048/
2025-12-20-020002-061/
2025-12-21-000004-298/
2025-12-21-000004-545/
2025-12-21-020001-876/
2025-12-21-200002-236/
2025-12-22-000002-743/
2025-12-22-000003-837/
2025-12-22-020001-023/
2025-12-22-200002-153/
2025-12-23-000003-823/
2025-12-23-000003-847/
2025-12-23-020001-083/
2025-12-23-200002-362/
2025-12-24-000002-459/
2025-12-24-000003-556/
2025-12-24-020000-977/
2025-12-24-200002-186/
2025-12-25-020001-120/
2025-12-25-200001-920/
2025-12-26-000003-750/
2025-12-26-020000-980/
2025-12-26-200002-210/
2025-12-27-000003-527/
2025-12-27-020001-822/
2025-12-27-200002-056/
2025-12-28-000004-484/
2025-12-28-020001-698/
2025-12-28-200001-472/
2025-12-29-000003-399/
2025-12-29-020001-825/
2025-12-29-200002-397/
2025-12-30-000004-936/
2025-12-30-020001-950/
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2025-12-31-000002-928/
2025-12-31-000003-778/
2025-12-31-020001-079/
2025-12-31-200002-586/
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2026-01-15-200003-287/
2026-01-16-000003-947/
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2026-01-16-200002-730/
2026-01-17-000004-483/
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2026-01-17-000004-680/
2026-01-17-020002-975/
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2026-01-19-000002-798/
2026-01-19-000002-846/
2026-01-19-000004-127/
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2026-01-19-200002-079/
2026-01-20-000003-687/
2026-01-20-000003-693/
2026-01-20-020002-764/
2026-01-20-200003-770/
2026-01-21-000004-011/
2026-01-21-000004-039/
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2026-01-21-000149-561/
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2026-01-23-200002-498/
2026-01-24-000002-845/
2026-01-24-000002-884/
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And a slightly side question related to backups I couldn't find the answer to in the doc: what is the logic on mounting locations of the different remote backup sites on the file system?
E.g. is the first site mounted at /mnt/cloudronbackup and the other in /mnt/managedbackups/siteX (I cannot check it myself cause I have removed my second backup location now)

avatar1024 said:

Also given you're looking at emails, I wonder if you might have time to look at a couple more email related ideas (but I understand new features aren't and shouldn't be the priority over what you've listed):

2. Creating mailing lists based on a Cloudron group, so that mailing list recipients / email addresses get automatically updated when users enter / leave the group

3. Currently when I send an email to a mailing list I'm part of I also receive that email. Would it be possible to have an option (per mailing list) so that it is not the case, i.e. that senders don't receive their own email if they are part of the list?

@girish have any of the two features been looked at as part of the revamp (got kind of a workaround for 1. in my original post which in fact should work even work better with your new approach)?

No worries if not of course, it's just to know what to expect. 2. especially would be super useful as I can't find a clean workaround for doing that with current features.

While interesting, as long as they don't use ODFs as default this all EU claim is misleading. "Our dev is EU based but we default to and lock people into a US and proprietary file format"

@necrevistonnezr said:

Firefox?

Indeed

cleared the cache and it all works - apologies...

I don't know how I hadn't tried it before posting to be honest, very sorry about that!

Especially as I regularly have login weirdness with OIDC and NC which require clearing the browser's cache. I don't know if anything can be done to prevent that.

Like @jdaviescoates, I also have a setting enabled not to display the NC login page and so it always auto connect if I'm logged into cloudron, or send me to the cloudron login page if I'm not. Maybe this confuses the browser at times, I don't know.

@james said:

Hello @avatar1024
Please post the output of cloudron-support --troubleshoot

Vendor: netcup Product: KVM Server
Linux: 5.15.0-130-generic
Ubuntu: noble 24.04
Cloudron: 9.2.0
Execution environment: kvm
Processor: AMD EPYC 7702P 64-Core Processor
BIOS pc-i440fx-6.2  CPU @ 2.0GHz x 6
RAM: 16372656KB
Disk: /dev/sda3       153G
[OK]    Root disk usage is OK (50%)
[WARN]  Memory is 86% used
[OK]    Clock is NTP-synchronized
[OK]    node version is correct
[OK]    IPv6 is enabled in kernel. No public IPv6 address
[OK]    docker is running
[OK]    docker version is correct
[OK]    MySQL is running
[OK]    netplan is good
[OK]    DNS is resolving via systemd-resolved
[OK]    unbound is running
[OK]    IPv4 HTTPS to api.cloudron.io/api/v1/helper/public_ip
[SKIP]  IPv6 HTTPS to api.cloudron.io/api/v1/helper/public_ip — no public IPv6 address
[OK]    IPv4 HTTPS to auth.docker.io/token
[SKIP]  IPv6 HTTPS to auth.docker.io/token — no public IPv6 address
[OK]    IPv4 HTTPS to acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
[SKIP]  IPv6 HTTPS to acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org — no public IPv6 address
[OK]    nginx is running
[OK]    dashboard cert is valid
[OK]    dashboard is reachable via loopback
[OK]    No pending database migrations
[OK]    Service 'mysql' is running and healthy
[OK]    Service 'postgresql' is running and healthy
[OK]    Service 'mongodb' is running and healthy
[OK]    Service 'mail' is running and healthy
[OK]    Service 'graphite' is running and healthy
[OK]    Service 'sftp' is running and healthy
[OK]    box v9.2.0 is running
[OK]    Dashboard is reachable via IPv4 (https://my.catalystcollective.org)
[SKIP]  Dashboard IPv6 reachability — no public IPv6 address
[OK]    Domain catalystcollective.org is valid and has not expired

======== Summary ========
PASS:  26
WARN:  1
FAIL:  0
SKIP:  4

Warnings:
  - Memory is 86% used

I can't any major problem here.

@james said:

f you open the browser developer tools and view the network inspect while trying to log in.
Is there anything erroring there?

Not as far as I can see.