Cloudron Forum

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• Title: Docs on Cloudron - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant PDF Export (with template)

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• Main Page: https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/
• Git: https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs
• Licence: MIT License
• Docker: Yes https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs/blob/main/docs/installation.md
• Demo: https://impress-preprod.beta.numerique.gouv.fr/

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• Summary: A collaborative note taking, wiki and documentation platform that scales. Built with Django and React. Opensource alternative to Notion or Outline.

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• Notes: While I like Outline (already available on Cloudron) I am fighting with some design/product choices: Privacy questionable ones (deactivating user tracking aka "Insights") and/or some paid for features (PDF Export, Guests).
  This present app fills the gap perfectly, with the added benefit of:
  • Matching Cloudron base image / platform (OIDC, PostgreSQL, Redis, S3 etc..)
  • Being already established, with regular releases and a solid backing (German / French government)
  • Support European-based open source self-hosting initiative

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• Alternative to / Libhunt link: e.g. https://selfhosted.libhunt.com/umap-alternatives
• Screenshots:
  Logo:
  
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OK hear me out... I know we've had many notion/Outline alternative app requests over the years, but rarely have I seen one that match so closely Cloudron's infra capabilities and aim (or so is my interpretation - Maybe I am in the wrong though).

So I thank in advance, any and every app request upvote and most importantly package builder who might want to take this on.

This would alleviate the biggest regular issues I am running into with users / potential users of this types of product.

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• Title: Guidefox on Cloudron - Open source user onboarding

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• Main Page: https://guidefox.io/
• Git: https://github.com/bluewave-labs/guidefox
• Licence: AGPL-3.0 license
• Docker: Yes
• Demo: not available at the present time

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• Summary: Guidefox is an open-source user onboarding tool that gives you complete control over your user experience. No vendor lock-in, full customization, and a thriving community to help you succeed.

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• Notes: a bit early to add on the wishlist since the product seems to be in early stage, but I think this feels a gap in the open source self hosting world. Hopefully this might generate interest here and upstream.

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• Screenshots:
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Brand Logo:

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• Title: BookLore

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• Main Page: https://github.com/booklore-app/booklore
• Git: https://github.com/booklore-app/booklore
• Licence: GPL-3.0
• Dockerfile: Not that I can see (Docker-compose is there though)
• Demo: https://demo.booklore.dev (Username: booklore / Password:9HC20PGGfitvWaZ1)

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• Summary: BookLore is a self-hosted web app for organizing and managing your personal book collection. It provides an intuitive interface to browse, read, and track your progress across PDFs and eBooks. With robust metadata management, multi-user support, and a sleek, modern UI, BookLore makes it easy to build and explore your personal library.

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• Notes:
  • Smart Organization: Build your dream library with custom shelves, smart sorting, and powerful filters to find any book instantly
  • Multi-User Management: Add users with granular permissions for library access and content control
  • Kobo Integration: Seamlessly sync your library with Kobo devices and convert EPUBs to KEPUB automatically
  • Magic Shelves: Create dynamic, rule-based smart collections that auto-update in real time - like smart playlists for your books
  • 🧠 Auto Metadata: Fetch rich book details from Goodreads, Amazon, Google Books, and Hardcover
  • BookDrop Import: Drop files in a folder for automatic detection and bulk import
  • OPDS Support: Connect reading apps directly to your library for wireless downloads
  • Flexible Authentication: Choose between local accounts or external OIDC providers (Authentik, Pocket ID)
  • KOReader Sync: Track reading progress across KOReader and BookLore
  • One-Click Sharing: Send books via email directly from the interface
  • Private Notes: Save personal reading notes visible only to you
  • Community Reviews: Auto-fetch public reviews to enrich your library
  • Built-in Reader: Read PDFs, EPUBs, and comics with customizable themes
  • Mobile Ready: Fully responsive design optimized for all devices

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• Alternative to: Kavita, Komga
• Screenshots:

This is a positive review of Cloudron, presenting the advantage of the Cloudron platform and easily convincing the couple of attendees.

It does not go very much in depth technically, but gives example of using popular apps on Cloudron and why Cloudron makes them stand apart from other paas solutions (1 click install, integrated backup, users sync etc..).

All in all, it's a positive review by someone having only good things to say.

About Swetrix:

Swetrix is a cookieless Google Analytics alternative that does not invade your users' privacy.
This is the way analytics should be: GDPR compliant, lightweight and easy to use.

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Additional links:

Website: https://swetrix.com/
source: https://github.com/Swetrix
docs: https://docs.swetrix.com/
roadmap: https://github.com/orgs/Swetrix/projects/2
License: Swetrix is released under the AGPL v3.0 licence

Selfhosting/docker info:
source: https://github.com/Swetrix/selfhosting
docs: https://docs.swetrix.com/selfhosting/how-to

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Additional info:

• Made in Ukraine
• Use Redis
• unclear about the costs (if any) when selfhosting
• recently released v2

@joseph said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

Am I reading it correctly that this is sponsored by the french government?

Hi @joseph, from github:

Docs is the result of a joint effort led by the French (DINUM) and German 🥨 governments (ZenDiS).

Baguettes and Bretzels: What's not to love

I'll add that a potential early packaging would/could shed some positive light on Cloudron, since data sovereignty is bound to become an even more important topic with regards to the current geopolotical context and sensitivities, and that the product is very new (original public release 02/2025).
That is solong as this does not go against Cloudron's team internal imperatives/plan...

Hi,

At the moment, when setting 2FA from a cloudron server into most 3rd party 2FA/MFA application, the name of the token is automatically generated from:

(lack of) Logo Icon + "Cloudron" + address of the cloudron server + (username)

Could:

• the MFA/2FA app icon be the "Logo" icon from the Cloudron Branding page
• the "Cloudron" part be replaced with the Branding "Cloudron Name" from the Cloudron Branding page

This would avoid a fair amount of confusion / frustration with some end users.

Many thanks for the consideration.

Hi there - thanks for the great work on v9.
For the little I played with, it looks and feels great so far.

From the demo server, I will pinch in with a couple of questions/comments too:

• 1 - Branding - Footer: This seems to be available only from the login page and not from the dashboard anymore. is this intended?

In v8, we store some references and links to internal help documentation etc in the footer. So I wonder if/what could replace this in v9?

• 2 - The help menu:
  • Is this something visible to all users? No it is not, tried and saw.
  • Related to the point above, instead of the footer, potentially, I would love the opportunity to have such an help menu option for non-admin users, so long as the content is editable / amendable by admin. I hope that I make sense

• 3 - Log out - This is for sure a matter of tastes and colour etc.. but since I got confused initially: working on a fairly big screen I looked for the logout button for longer than I believe I should. Instinctively (or maybe from previous version) I was looking for it below the username as I clicked on it.
  Then I noticed it on the profile page.
  Maybe it is only me, but should it remain there, then I would suggest potentially a change of colour, to something that pops up a little bit more.

• 4 - Menu item for user with User Manager priviledges (possibly this is not tied to v9 entirely)
  At the moment, a user with a user manager role see the following menu items

Clicking on the LDAP/OpenID/Settings option open the "My Apps" page.
While I think it is right that the User Manager does not have access to these options, I think that the options should simply not be visible, rather that to open another / different page. This is likely to create confusion.

I hope that it makes sense.
Speaking personally, v9 gives already a very nice feeling.
This is it for now and my short play around - I might pop back in later on with more.
Many thanks for all the work and support in the background!

Hi all,
I am wondering if we are far away from an addition of mailpiler to the Cloudron app repository. It would be of great help in a couple of the situation I am facing atm.
@vladimir-d Maybe you have had the chance to commit the working app version to Clourdon's GitLab already

If I can help (within the remit of my abilities) or contribute in making this happen, I would be happy to do so.

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• Title: Scrypted

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• Main Page: https://scrypted.app/
• Git: https://github.com/koush/scrypted
• Licence: See individual project directories for licensing, as it will vary throughout the repository. Some plugins may have dependencies that require GPL compliance.
• Dockerfile: No, but docker compose available
• Demo: Demo of Scrypted + Scrypted NVR: https://demo.scrypted.app/#/demo

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• Summary: Scrypted is an open source video integration platform. Using various Plugins, Scrypted can receive streams from a range of cameras and send them to other platforms (HomeKit, Google Home, Alexa, Home Assistant).

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• Notes: Provide a gateway for a large number of integrations.
  Additionally but not part of the package: Scrypted NVR is a Scrypted plugin that can be locally installed. It provides 24/7 recording, smart detections, notifications, and accompanying mobile and desktop apps. The Scrypted NVR plugin is NOT open source (as far as I can tell) and subject to cost.

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• Alternative to: e.g. Zoneminder
• Screenshots:
  

Hi all,

A short off topic question, humbly pooling community wisdom:

• Let's say you have an app idea (nothing too complicated but also not a static website), and while you can mostly read an interpret code, web dev is not your current daily occupation.
  You start with a "blank canva" (albeit the idea is pretty well defined - and you know it fits a need, albeit somewhat niche) and have no attach to one or another tech stack.

• Naturally, you want to start simple before adding more relevant features (so the potential to further develop and add on the existing is important)

• Ideally, you would want to have a first version in the next 8-10 months and while your time cannot be 100% dedicated to this, you are ready to devote a fair amount of resources to this project (whether it is time or money). You are willing to fail but do not hope or expect to. Succeeding means your app will be used, nothing more, nothing less. But it also means it would open the door to other projects.

• Ultimately, you imagine a PWA or web app with mobile apps, with auth integration (OIDC, LDAP etc..) and easy to update, maintain and deploy (did I hear Cloudron app?).
  You are not interested in being at the forefront of the tech trends (AI, AR/VR etc.. ) at this stage, yet you wouldn't close the door on possibilities.

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Question: Which way would you go to make this happen, in today's world?

Would it be to go at it alone, learn from books, training, people etc.. and make this happen?
Would it be to go the AI way and see how far this leads, while learning?
Or find a someone (contractor dev or "co founder" or else) with whom you convince to share your idea and hope to be able to rely on a long cooperation?
Something else?

What's is your best advice/experience with this?

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There is such a compelling community of Cloudronians that I though it would be interesting to ask.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

I am not entirely sure how the EuroStack initiative align with Cloudron underlying business approach.

Yet in principle Cloudron presents a lot of what this initiative is about and there is a lot of Cloudron apps supporting this (Nextcloud, CryptoPad, Mastodon etc...) already.

So maybe this is of interest/there is still some time to add Cloudron's name to this list:
https://eurostack.eu/250-signatories/

In turn, there is a published "EuroStack" Directory to European Cloud, Open Source, and Interoperable Digital Solutions:
https://euro-stack.com/

@echokos said in Umami - Failed container start with environment variables:

May 24 20:32:41 /app/data/env: line

I had something similar with IGNORE_IP when I lazily copied the variable from the umami doc (https://umami.is/docs/environment-variables)

try this FORCE_SSL=1 (without spaces)

and restart your app - This seems to work.

@froodle Could Open Collective be relevant / of interest here?
https://opencollective.com/
I only know of them from contributing once and the little I read about them.

Hi - You can find the list of Cloudron packaged app that are SSO enabled here: https://www.cloudron.io/appstatus.html

While this list speaks to a SSO managed by / for Cloudron, I am under the understanding that, for each of these apps, if you leave user management to the app when installting the app on Cloudron, you should be able to configured SSO to work with your Keycloak instance.

Hopefully this is a correct assumption.

I hope that this helps.

@darkben Hi Ben,

I beleive this to be related to https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7489/umami-update-1-37-0-package-version-1-6-0-won-t-start-errors-in-logs

My understanding is that the upstream Umami developer(s) made some breaking changes in their previous release, leading to an automatic update not being possible. Please see the forum post for more details.

@girish published this breaking changes under app package 2.0 in Cloudron so that no automatic update would take place and thus avoid inoperable application without notice.
But the underlying situation remains.
See here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/52142

Couple of "solutions" / workaround:

• uninstall current app and re-install fresh from cloudron app store -> this will lead to previous Umami data / configs / stats being lost and require a new configuration from all sites.
• install a second umami app package on cloudron, using a different subdomain/app name and run with the two package side by side -> this still requires a new configuration / migration of your sites to the new umami endpoint. However you can keep the stats in the old package (provided that you can revert the changes due to the update attempt).

Neither are ideal, but it least it gets you running again.

Hopefully this helps further.

Hear Hear! Thanks a lot

@avatar1024 Unless I am mistaken, according to Outline's github, this is a "cloud + enterprise only" feature.

https://github.com/outline/outline/issues/4270#issuecomment-1368054227

Going by the output of the "cat | grep" command, Cloud VPS from SSDnodes has AVX support.