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BISQ API (headless) :

• added a SKILL.md for use with Nanobot / Openclaw

v0.0.2 : BISQ GUI released

Git repo : https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-bisqgui

Will make a Community App after I move to 9.1

Notes :

• makes Bisq desktop app accessible in a browser
• access from any device
• reduces cumulative start-up time compared to desktop, which might often be closed and opened only when needed (each close/open requires Tor connection and market info to be loaded)
• decentralised P2P so no exchange-based purchases with associated KYC blocks and trade identity leakage.

Security:

• protected by Cloudron proxyAuth
• but it is essentially a single-use app, so make the app visibility and access in Cloudron app dashboard single user also
• make sure you set a wallet password
• don't put your life savings in it (for me this is short-term trades only, long-term trades/position holding is done with Trezor cold wallet)
• consider purchasing on BISQ then moving purchases to a cold wallet for longer term holding

v0.0.3 : Bisq Headless : requests need api key auth.

1. I've packaged the first of the planned BISQ apps, a headless Bisq daemon (v1.9.22) for Cloudron with a lightweight HTTP API wrapper.

Repo:
https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-bisq-api

Quick Start:

• Sample Commands : Visit the app's /api/help page.
• Testing : Use the test-api.sh script in the repo to verify responses locally.
• Status : Check /api/status for sync progress.

Notes:

• Auth for requests to be added
• Sample OpenClaw skills will be added later.
• I will make this into a Community App later.

2. Next up : attempt a BISQ GUI for visual UI and "desktop equivalent"

I can add to the catalogue / create a 1 line install link.
Quicker if @vitetj has a publicly available Cloudron docker image (hub.docker.com or similar)

Interesting @nebulon.
But I don't think Safari would reject (clear a resource) for a File Manager session within 30 seconds once it has been authenticated.

It's not urgent or critical, but definitely screwy.

@nebulon I agree - it doesn't seem right.

But what I can't answer is why I have never (yet) experienced a "boot out" from an opened terminal window, but it is 90+% guaranteed with a File Manager tab.

I struggle to believe that Safari would choose to distinguish between terminal window tab and file manager tab in terms of session auth. So I moved down the chain of suspicion to File Manager.

I am experimenting with using Safari Private mode, but it's not ideal workflow.

I am VERY open to being told that Safari installation is fsck-ed but I have upgraded Safari through OS updates, as well as stopping/starting/cleaning.

Mystery, hey ?!

If anyone knows of something better than BISQ, let me know so I can check it out, maybe switch.

There is an Android app but as I am mostly iOS, I want BISQ Headless for my bots. Bisq GUI might help others w/o bots, as well as being a useful visual engagement.

• Title: Bisq on Cloudron - The decentralized P2P Bitcoin exchange

If Bitcoin’s motto is "be your own bank," Bisq’s motto is "be your own exchange."

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• Main Page: https://bisq.network/
• Git: https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq
• Licence: AGPL-3.0
• Dockerfile: No (Official Docker repo is archived/read-only) ... but I am building one
• Screengrab: https://bisq.network/images/screens/bisq_hero_light.png
• Video Intro:

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• Summary:
  Bisq is a safe, private, and decentralized way to exchange bitcoin for national currencies and other digital assets. It uses peer-to-peer networking and multi-signature escrow to facilitate trading without a third party. Bisq is non-custodial (i.e. you keep your own wallet), requires no registration or identity verification (No KYC), and incorporates a human arbitration system to resolve disputes.

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• Notes:
  I would love to see this on Cloudron to run a 24/7 trading node.
  It's mostly a desktop app, but I don't want it always running on my desktop, and closing/opening requires re-establishing Tor and network data.
  I have been using it sporadically for few years (so I am scratching another itch).

Why it's great:

• True P2P and censorship-resistant.
• No central servers; data is stored locally.
• Integrated Tor for privacy.
• Non-custodial : keep your wallet out of exchanges which might go pop, fizzle or get hacked.

PLAN - 2 apps :

• Desktop equivalent in a browser
• Headless API for integration with Openclaw/Nanobot/AgentZero bots

Packaging Concerns:

• Architecture: It is a Java-based desktop application (JavaFX), not a web server. Packaging for Cloudron will likely require a "Desktop-in-Browser" approach (Xvfb + x11vnc + noVNC) or running the headless API daemon with a separate web UI.
• Resources: Java applications can be memory-intensive.
• Persistence: Requires careful handling of the data directory to ensure wallet and trade state are preserved across updates.

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• Alternative to / Libhunt link: https://www.libhunt.com/r/bisq
• Screenshots:

@robi oooops, sorry
There now

v0.0.9

I tried my self-hosted Ollama models and they work.
However I found skills work better with openai and gpt-4o.
Trying to identify an ollama cloud model (my preference) which will work with skills and not require patching.

Since upgrading to 9.0.17 (maybe 9.0.15), I am encountering consistent and repetitive cases where an app's File Manager browser tab will boot me out to a screen which says :

Logging in as invited returns me to the My Apps list, open an app, open its File Manager, and it's not long (sorry, not measured) before we go through the dance again.

Bizarrely :

• it's only File Manager tabs for an app which does this. An app's Terminal tab will stay active for a long time, maybe reconnects but doesn't boot me out.
• the main Dashboard never does this (I have it as a pinned tab, and an app's terminal and file manager open as new tabs)
• it has not (yet) done this to me in Private Window

Emptied caches, removed website data (all sites and just the my.cloudron domain), restarted Safari multiple times.

Can't find other reports of this.
Maybe everyone else is using Chrome or Firefox.

Not urgent or critical, just annoying and disruptive.

Any ideas ?
Am I being an idiot ?

Packaged Nanobot for Cloudron
So far I like more than Picoclaw, but I don't have much evidence to support that. Just a feeling.

git : https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-nanobot.git

docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-nanobot:v0.0.1

I am / try to be very eco. But our glorious leaders are idiotic (correction : corrupt), and doing all the wrong things.
Despite their protestations, all they are interested in is bunging profitable contracts to their chums.
It's not about climate change (which is serious), it's about political corruption (which is even more serious). And we all fall for it, time after time after time.

WTF ?! That's my forecast ! From June 2024 !

When the idiotic UK population elected a NetZero fascist. Soon we will not be able to afford to buy electricity for our homes, so have to generate it ourselves. And more scurrilously, if we don't generate 1 kWh per day for the national grid, then we will be fined, and our social credits will be marked down.

Want your beer to be cold ? Start pedalling ...

At least the obesity crisis will be consigned to history.

@Kubernetes I thought a little bit more and I think maybe I missed the crucial point.

Its lightweight footprint means it can run on a Pi, or a Phone, or maybe a baby (low-spec) Cloudron.

It's kinda irrelevant on my high-spec Cloudron, but after Hetzner etc force us onto more modest affordable devices, maybe we will be very glad of it !

Now, where are those Pi devices which I never did anything with except boot them up ...

Fun experiment but I don't see it provides much use case.
Does the world really need another AI chat entry point ?
Maybe I am missing the point.
Struggling to see how to extend telegram functionality.

@Teiluj said in The Matrix is coming:

This is probably partly in reply to this

That's a truly horrible website. I thought we left those behind in 2010.

@luckow I cannot access those links.

Packaged : https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-picoclaw

Docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-picoclaw:latest

There is a 'picoclaw onboard' command but it's easier IMO to edit the config file directly.

EDIT : seems the onboard command is mostly to create a folder structure. real config is best done in config.json

Pushed v0.0.31

• uses the latest windmill release 1.645.0
• adds Playwright into the build (more postininstall message about usage