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Maybe I am slow on the uptake, but I have only just realised the impact which AGENT.md and SOUL.md have on the behaviour of the bot.

Well, I knew it in theory, but I did not do "2+2".

Significant customisation possible, and because those files (and others) are deployed to /app/data/.nanobot/workspace, they are easily edited w/o container rebuild or app restart (just a runtime /app/data/restart-gateway).

For my needs I have removed the puff and padding from responses, and just get the answer.

In theory, the base personality in AGENT.md/SOUL.md can be overridden in a particular SKILL.md, but I have not yet played with that.

I was initially "overwhelmed" by creating a skill, I think the docs and the available examples are pretty poor (IMHO), but now I have realised the scope of what is possible. Especially getting an agent to write the skill !

If you have not tried Nanobot, it's a functional lightweight bloat-free app with great potential.

Might well be my first Community App once 9.1.x is stable.

Not sure anybody cares (which is fine, my itch is scratched), but ...

BISQ API HEADLESS :

• updated API calls
• removed the SKILL (because I don't want to duplicate it and it sits more naturally in the Nanobot repository: the updated skill has been deployed there)

AI dev agent ? Which one ?
Just interested, doesn’t seem familiar.

@LoudLemur said:

it's in a "works up to the last mile" state.

I've got a few of those, so understood

@LoudLemur said:

Would switching to base 5.0.0 and its native Node fix the indexing step too?

I've found that the answer to that type of question is only ever discovered by trying it !

I have a few other projects on/behind, but I might take a look. But please don't let that stop anyone else doing so.

@jdaviescoates Yes, I am planning to "convert" all my custom apps to Community Apps. But I'm generally cautious on new releases (no disrespect intended) so I am waiting for 9.1 to be stable before installing and cracking on (checking regularly).

But nothing to stop @murgero doing it before then..
I won't be offended in the slightest.
I seem to recall it wasn't a difficult one. So depending on perspective, an easy one to get back in the swing with, or not challenging enough to be interested in taking on.

@LoudLemur said:

What We Built
A Docker image based on cloudron/base:4.2.0

Why 4.2.0 ?
I use 5.0.0.
Supports more recent Node

If you're happy, share your repo and maybe someone can take a look.

@Joseph

Despite my few years on Cloudron and packaging some apps, I have never used the demo server ! Embarrassing. Must try harder.

So much more to know about Cloudron, so little time, such small brain.

@robi thank you
May not help others, but does help me.
Struggled a bit with SKILL for Nanobot, worked, then didn't, but now working correctly.

I packaged Zoneminder and generally it is working, but getting a lot of OOM which I cannot get to the bottom of.

I struggled a bit with ZeroNet, need to get back to it, but you can do it better ?

I based my package on ZernNet Conservancy but there is maybe a better one.

I have not upgraded to 9.1 (waiting for stable release) so I can't release as a Community App yet.

BISQ API (headless) :

• added a SKILL.md for use with Nanobot / Openclaw

v0.0.2 : BISQ GUI released

Git repo : https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-bisqgui

Will make a Community App after I move to 9.1

Notes :

• makes Bisq desktop app accessible in a browser
• access from any device
• reduces cumulative start-up time compared to desktop, which might often be closed and opened only when needed (each close/open requires Tor connection and market info to be loaded)
• decentralised P2P so no exchange-based purchases with associated KYC blocks and trade identity leakage.

Security:

• protected by Cloudron proxyAuth
• but it is essentially a single-use app, so make the app visibility and access in Cloudron app dashboard single user also
• make sure you set a wallet password
• don't put your life savings in it (for me this is short-term trades only, long-term trades/position holding is done with Trezor cold wallet)
• consider purchasing on BISQ then moving purchases to a cold wallet for longer term holding

v0.0.3 : Bisq Headless : requests need api key auth.

1. I've packaged the first of the planned BISQ apps, a headless Bisq daemon (v1.9.22) for Cloudron with a lightweight HTTP API wrapper.

Repo:
https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-bisq-api

Quick Start:

• Sample Commands : Visit the app's /api/help page.
• Testing : Use the test-api.sh script in the repo to verify responses locally.
• Status : Check /api/status for sync progress.

Notes:

• Auth for requests to be added
• Sample OpenClaw skills will be added later.
• I will make this into a Community App later.

2. Next up : attempt a BISQ GUI for visual UI and "desktop equivalent"

I can add to the catalogue / create a 1 line install link.
Quicker if @vitetj has a publicly available Cloudron docker image (hub.docker.com or similar)

Interesting @nebulon.
But I don't think Safari would reject (clear a resource) for a File Manager session within 30 seconds once it has been authenticated.

It's not urgent or critical, but definitely screwy.

@nebulon I agree - it doesn't seem right.

But what I can't answer is why I have never (yet) experienced a "boot out" from an opened terminal window, but it is 90+% guaranteed with a File Manager tab.

I struggle to believe that Safari would choose to distinguish between terminal window tab and file manager tab in terms of session auth. So I moved down the chain of suspicion to File Manager.

I am experimenting with using Safari Private mode, but it's not ideal workflow.

I am VERY open to being told that Safari installation is fsck-ed but I have upgraded Safari through OS updates, as well as stopping/starting/cleaning.

Mystery, hey ?!

If anyone knows of something better than BISQ, let me know so I can check it out, maybe switch.

There is an Android app but as I am mostly iOS, I want BISQ Headless for my bots. Bisq GUI might help others w/o bots, as well as being a useful visual engagement.

• Title: Bisq on Cloudron - The decentralized P2P Bitcoin exchange

If Bitcoin’s motto is "be your own bank," Bisq’s motto is "be your own exchange."

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• Main Page: https://bisq.network/
• Git: https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq
• Licence: AGPL-3.0
• Dockerfile: No (Official Docker repo is archived/read-only) ... but I am building one
• Screengrab: https://bisq.network/images/screens/bisq_hero_light.png
• Video Intro:

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• Summary:
  Bisq is a safe, private, and decentralized way to exchange bitcoin for national currencies and other digital assets. It uses peer-to-peer networking and multi-signature escrow to facilitate trading without a third party. Bisq is non-custodial (i.e. you keep your own wallet), requires no registration or identity verification (No KYC), and incorporates a human arbitration system to resolve disputes.

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• Notes:
  I would love to see this on Cloudron to run a 24/7 trading node.
  It's mostly a desktop app, but I don't want it always running on my desktop, and closing/opening requires re-establishing Tor and network data.
  I have been using it sporadically for few years (so I am scratching another itch).

Why it's great:

• True P2P and censorship-resistant.
• No central servers; data is stored locally.
• Integrated Tor for privacy.
• Non-custodial : keep your wallet out of exchanges which might go pop, fizzle or get hacked.

PLAN - 2 apps :

• Desktop equivalent in a browser
• Headless API for integration with Openclaw/Nanobot/AgentZero bots

Packaging Concerns:

• Architecture: It is a Java-based desktop application (JavaFX), not a web server. Packaging for Cloudron will likely require a "Desktop-in-Browser" approach (Xvfb + x11vnc + noVNC) or running the headless API daemon with a separate web UI.
• Resources: Java applications can be memory-intensive.
• Persistence: Requires careful handling of the data directory to ensure wallet and trade state are preserved across updates.

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• Alternative to / Libhunt link: https://www.libhunt.com/r/bisq
• Screenshots:

@robi oooops, sorry
There now

v0.0.9

I tried my self-hosted Ollama models and they work.
However I found skills work better with openai and gpt-4o.
Trying to identify an ollama cloud model (my preference) which will work with skills and not require patching.