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@nostrdev thank you

Yes, I used the password value printed below that line as a comment.

I will dig bit deeper later

@robi I pruned mine to 3Gb
I think somewhere I read pruning down to 600Mb might be possible. Maybe not lower.

@crazybrad don't jump to conclusions - it's not finished yet !
May turn out to be in line with estimates, who knows.
Will plough on - core build done but a fair few wrinkles need resolving, and of course lots of testing.

@nostrdev I'm trying to install btcpayserver after installing btc-core (and node fully synced)

I change the rpc auth in btcpayserver config.yml to match what is in btc-core bitcoin.conf

I restarted btcpayserver

I get a blank page on btcpay.domain.tl in Safari and a 500 error in Firefox.

btcpayserver logs :
Jan 07 16:57:24 fail: Microsoft.AspNetCore.Server.Kestrel: Connection id "0HNIE1J43J819", Request id "0HNIE1J43J819:00000001": An unhandled exception was thrown by the application.

I tried to set sysctl values but they're in RO location so will need a rebuild if wrong

Am I doing something wrong ?

Using https://git.nostrdev.com/stuff/cloudron-btcpay

Cross-posting from https://forum.cloudron.io/post/118075

Making progress on packaging Seafile for Cloudron

@crazybrad yes, I checked, they are still offering PRO for small deployments - still needs a licence but zero-cost for up to 3

Partial update : despite my previous view that Seafile was not viable (currently eating humble pie), I am close to having it packaged as a custom app.
If successful, this would be a game changer.
The only things I don't like about Seafile are :

• slightly dated UI, but hey ho, you get used to it and it is compensated for by working well
• 'cloaked' file names on the underlying storage, but will work on a export/backup facility after the base package is working satisfactorily.

@nebulon thanks for the update.

May I take the opportunity to make 2 requests and a comment :

1. the "log jam" on custom apps can easily be solved by building in to the Cloudron facility something equivalent to CCAI (open hosted custom app installer), or more specifically CCAI-P ("closed" Personal Edition installer). The process to install a custom app from a git repo link and pre-built cloudron-ajusted Docker image is relatively trivial for techs/devs like yourselves. An AppDev who is more pro than me can easily accomplish it.

• The custom apps catalogue is maybe something you don't want to build into Cloudron, but I would be happy to host it, with suitable links for the user to use in their Cloudron equivalent of CCAI-P.

• although I built it and am therefore responsible, I don't really like the open CCAI, because it is more complex and forces users to enter their creds on a 3rd party site, which is always a little uncomfortable.
  But CCAI-P or the Cloudron re-engineered version is a very different situation. Even just adopting CCAI-P into the AppStore, maybe as an interim step, would be a huge leap forward, with relatively minimal effort from Cloudron team.

• happy to make any changes to CCAI-P which Cloudron team dictate to facilitate its adoption to AppStore

2. Specifically about your Maps package, slightly sad to hear it is suspended for now. It is nice. But as an alternative for those wanting something similar, may I pitch Facilmap - already packaged for Cloudron and available as a custom app - as a candidate for early adoption into the AppStore.

3. Final comment : there has been occasional unhappiness that people cannot deploy apps in a docker-compose fashion.
   I understand and actually agree with this "restriction" - the benefits of Cloudron stability etc are too important to sacrifice.
   But this unhappiness pops up occasionally and can be very largely addressed by implementing something like CCAI-P into the AppStore or into the platform.
   All true Cloudron fans want Cloudron to grow, and I think this would be a big part of doing so.

After that long pitch, I am very glad that you said the topic is under active discussion, and that even the initial CCAI was not stamped down immediately as being unacceptable, which I would have understood.

I look forward to news on the way forward, acknowledging that Cloudron team have 101 other things on their plate.

@jdaviescoates understood, ccai and custom images are not for everyone.

@jdaviescoates Facilmap is in CCAI Personal and hosted CCAI. or you can do manual install with the pre-built docker image tcmbp132021/cloudron-facilmap:v1.0.0

Yes, it would be nice to see this in AppStore as an option.

@Benoit my first rsync backup did take a long time, but subsequent ones much faster.
I do a tar.gz backup as well, which takes longer.

Both use Hetzner Storage Box.
The tar.gz backups are about the same speed to ScalewayS3.

9.0.15	hetznerstoragebox-rsync	125 App(s)	100.32 GB | 251317 file(s)	5 Jan 2026 at 12:11	
9.0.15	hetzner-storage-box	125 App(s)	82.17 GB | 251258 file(s)	5 Jan 2026 at 03:04	

@jdaviescoates yes Leaflet (which Facilmap uses) is good for that.

Murmurations - cool !

Annoyingly I just uninstalled a custom app I made using Leaflet. I shall have to find it.

There's a small dilemma about Maps and Facilmap.
Both useful utilities, but when using a map, a very common next thought is "and how do I get there from here / from X".
Neither have route-mapping and I appreciate this could be a massive complication.
Just talking out loud to myself.

Small feedback :

1. the app should have POSTINSTALL.md to explain about map files, and download process.
   If only because clicking to zoom on location reveals no map content without a download at default zoom level, zooming out then displays a "base layer"
2. nothing secure in the app but with no auth it becomes a public resource.
3. FacilMap seems to have a few more functions, but they are 'nice-to-have' rather than essential, so Maps local tiles can make it preferable for some
4. app dashboard documentation goes to 404. Not important really, but could be good place to put tile download info
5. Maps downloaded tiles could be a killer point in terms of preference, but also in terms of killing the user's cloudron with disk full. Could be important as so many cloudron users seem to have small disk deployments. So info (even approx) about disk storage needed would be useful, rather than trial and error.
6. the available regions to download are large. Maybe not possible but would be good to narrow to a country. I am in UK. I have to download Europe. But I probably don't want to fill my disk with Romania (nothing wrong with Romania, just random example).
7. download Europe failed :

Downloading for: europe
Source: https://build.protomaps.com/20251215.pmtiles
Region: /app/code/continents/europe.geojson
Output: /app/data/mapdata/europe.pmtiles

fetching 888 dirs, 888 chunks, 25 requests
/usr/bin/download: line 86:    74 Killed                  ./pmtiles extract "$SOURCE_URL" --minzoom=7 --region "$REGION_FILE" "$OUTPUT_FILE"

Failed

Yay ! my Bitcoin Core data sync reached 100%

@nebulon said in Maps on Cloudron - Feedback on Beta:

Facilmap is using mostly public tile servers, while mine here will deliver map files directly from your cloudron instead

Good distinction and could sway the decision.

This will help on comparing apps. Currently I prefer Facilmap packaged as custom app.
But that maybe is due to lack of knowledge about Maps.

Hmmm, my AI say my earlier comment that Seafile "is impossible to package for Cloudron" is wrong.
So I will take a fresh look at packaging Seafile.

S3 backend needs the PRO edition of Seafile, but I seem to recall they offered a free PRO licence for small deployments (not sure if they still do).

@scooke my AI says that I might be able to transfer my 100% sync to you, and your system then catches up on changes, which are faster from a "seed".
But maybe you've moved on and don't need it anymore.
Let's see if I can get to 100%
Ai tells me the last few % are painfully slow, not that it's been very quick so far anyway !

@crazybrad interesting

Maybe I should take another look at viability of packaging Seafile.

Just realised that I am testing Pydio based on flat file structure (files exist natively on storage) not S3.
Need to look into S3.