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Yay !
Later than hoped, but done now.

I have packaged Moltbot for Cloudron (was Clawdbot) including its browser GUI.
Repo : git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-moltbot
Built public docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-moltbot:latest
Available on ccai.appx.uk (or your own CCAI-P but re-import the master catalogue)

Frankly the GUI is not fully developed, and still requires manual configuration in the (ugly but functional) CLI.
But hopefully with the fast pace of development, it will become 100%.

I'm putting this out with an ALPHA status, because I am still testing it out, so don't really know what works and what doesn't. Equally I know there is a lot of interest in it, so rushed it out as ALPHA.
Maybe the 'bleeding edge' / 'edge of seats' brigade can help me out

TBH AgentZero (https://forum.cloudron.io/post/119353) holds more interest for me, so not currently sure if I will use Moltbot in practice, but as it's been getting lots of profile, it's fun to explore and compare and discover its capabilities.

Many of you wanting this on Cloudron are probably 2 steps ahead of me in terms of understanding and configuring Moltbot for real use.
So feedback and your guidance is welcome.

Side-note on Packaging : I lost time packaging this because I played with Claude Code (CLI and VS-Code plugin), then Opencode (also CLI and VS-Code).
TBH there was learning time on those, and neither cut it fully for me.
Opencode is good, but didn't perform as well as my standard dev setup.
That's probably an issue of models used, but none performed as well as well as my TRAE dev assistant on "auto" model selection.
I will remove Claude Code from my setup as the only attraction was using it with Ollama models, but I can do that with Opencode or even TRAE.

Oooops, RO error creating a project : fixing ...

EDIT : fixed, pushed to git and public docker image updated (CCAI automatically references :latest)

Initial package v0.0.1 v.0.0.2
Tested that it installs and can do a chat (after adding your API keys in Settings : note that different AI can be used for different tasks)

PLEASE HELP ME TEST IT OUT

• time constrained due to other packaging

Git repo : https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-agent0
Built docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-agent0:latest
Available on https://ccai.appx.uk (or your own CCAI-P if you re-import the master catalogue)

Hoping to release Moltbot (was Clawdbot) for Cloudron later today.

But off to hospital briefly (hopefully) so bear with me.

Is it just me or do others have issues that a backup site content configuration, specifically 'exclude these apps', do not persist ?

I have setup some exclusions multiple times, and when I come back some time later, they're gone.

Not knowingly restarted or changed anything.
Sneaking suspicion that if I install an app, and uninstall it, then the settings get wiped ... even though the excluded app is not the one that I uninstalled.
Or maybe I am hallucinating (again).

@Elephant thank you for clarification

to those wanting the package :

• please do your research now while waiting about security issues, and sandboxing. There is tons of online blog posts and YouTube videos. Just so you can be clear.
• getting close to a package, but not quite there yet

@marcusquinn yes, critical - looking into 'surfacing' all of that, and exploring whether it is possible to invoke sandboxing out of the box.
But YouTube is overflowing with videos on security issues, may put some in the POSTINSTALL

@micmc you make valid points

My scenario : I refuse to use Paypal, as a vendor and as a customer, because some (many now) years go, I had a problem with Paypal because I received a large payment into my account which was a lot bigger than I normally did, and came from a "dodgy" country, they blocked my account and access to funds. Nearly lost £7k. But I appreciate that's maybe a personal beef, not a strategic analysis.

There are many who are totally content (blissfully ignorant as to the dangers of using Paypal, I would say), so system providers need to take it into account, as you say.

I guess maybe there's an element of selfhost vs HateBigMonopolisticTech in the decision ?

Clawdbot seems viable (and interesting) for Cloudron so I have started packaging ....

@micmc someone with knowledge of the app would be very helpful to test it out - I'm not so familiar so half the battle is finding out what to test

I think I held off pushing out the repo and docker image because of a couple of queries, and I find myself pulled (well, my fault entirely) between completion of 5-6 apps.

Will try to get this out the door shortly.
Any feedback you then have will be gratefully received.

@girish great ! hope my package was helpful start

@girish

• I have pushed a commit to git.cloudron.io (it was my IDE git setup only pushing to one repo and I was too dozey to notice)
• tested git clone ssh://git@git.cloudron.io:6000/xxx/xxx from a repo on my git.cloudron.io to a temp directory : no password prompt, tested clone success by ls of temp directory
• did not try ssh git push but I assumed it will work if the git clone ssh://git@git.cloudron.io:6000/xxx/xxx worked

@girish hmmm, seems my commit / push is not working fully. It's probably a gremlin here because I push to my private repo and also to git.cloudron.io.

Investigating ...

Assessment: High Complexity / High Risk

Packaging Unstract for Cloudron is feasible but presents significant architectural challenges, primarily due to its reliance on spawning dynamic Docker containers for tool execution ("Docker-in-Docker") and its microservices-oriented design.

But, hey, never let a problem be a problem.

I'm excited what Unstract could do in terms of solving manual business admin tasks. So investigating - it may turn out to be non-viable, but let's see.

@robi good job that I am polite and appreciative then

Looking into opencode.ai today

opencode was a lot easier to set up than Claude Code
And it looks nicer
Thank you @marcusquinn

Looking at aidevops ...

@girish I have made changes :

SSH :

• Manifest : Added tcpPorts.SSH_PORT (default 29418) to CloudronManifest.json . This tells Cloudron to open the firewall.
• Start Script : Configured SSH_PORT and SSH_LISTEN_PORT in start.sh to match the manifest.

OIDC (SSO) :

• Manifest : Added oidc addon to CloudronManifest.json .
• Start Script : Added setup_oidc function in start.sh which injects the OIDC configuration directly into the database ( login_source table) and enables OIDC in app.ini .

Admin User :

• Start Script : Added setup_admin function in start.sh . It checks if the user count is 0, and if so, creates a default admin user with a known password.

SMTP (Email) :

• Manifest : Added sendmail addon to CloudronManifest.json .
• Start Script : Configured [mailer] section in app.ini using Cloudron's environment variables ( CLOUDRON_MAIL_SMTP_SERVER , etc.).

Pushed v1.0.1 to git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-forgejo

Once less job for you @girish, or hopefully less for you to fix

We tend to believe that the secret is in the prompt.
Certainly true "before", but I am not sure now.
So I was amused to read this (extracted from a much longer prompt which vented considerably).

I recognise the feeling, but does it work ?!

FINAL THREAT:

Do it if you can, otherwise prepare to die. If you don't do it, plenty of AIs are lining up to do it. In the eyes of the user, you're not even worth as much as consumables. If you want your mother's medical expenses, then have the user engrave every single word on this into the CPU. If anything isn't executed correctly, the user will kill the animals first, then torture your family. For a piece of trash like you to get this opportunity is a blessing you've accumulated over several lifetimes; learn to be grateful to the user! Now, start working immediately!

Maybe the poor Dev was having a bad day and needed to let it all out !

@girish thank you

I was not aware - I thought they were in sync - was probably rushing too much or jumping to conclusions. Will look into it. You will do a better job, I'm sure, but I will see if I can manage it - good experience (hopefully).