Posts made by timconsidine

@fbartels it has a dockerfile so maybe deployable on Cloudron ?

Even if not a complex app, cloudron is my go-to production platform, so I could see value in having it in Cloudron.

@necrevistonnezr yes !
Tried this on separate vps and I like it.

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Nice little app

@ianhyzy I had some trouble installing it on a different VPS
probably my idiocy
may try again
but it slipped down my wish list
not sure about active development status : last update a few months ago doesn't seem too bad, but maybe no major new features

@philipp-braun checked out the cloud version : very nice !

@philipp-braun generous limit for their free plan in their cloud !

@rmdes good luck, looking forward to seeing if you decide to share

@atridad polite nudge to update the links for your new git home
Also the demo link on the new git not working
No rush, I'm sure you're busy with more important stuff

@v_shnu thank you !
Thanks for your support and help to get this packaged for Cloudron. Working very sweetly.

One small point is that the profile image for a user does not persist. It loads and saves initially, but seems to be reset when changing to another page of the app. Not a big issue because the rest is working nicely.

I love that you have iOS and Android apps and these connect to the self-host instance very smoothly. It's a big plus when choosing a chat app. Not sure if others here realise this is available.

@girish this seems to me stable and complete enough to be listed officially, but maybe you have some other checks you would like to do before then.

well, yes, this works to ensure that the .env does not get overwritten with default blank values on restarting the app.

However I am finding that the /packs/js/sdk.js does not get loaded in the client website with the default configuration.
I have tried with ip address as the BASE_URL and also tried setting it to a domain name.
Both these fail with the port :3000 specifier : it is not working in the Cloudron environment.

But changing the client widget to var BASE_URL="https://cloudronapp.domain.tld"; (i.e. not IP address and without :3000 port) allows the client to load the script and chat from client is received in the app inbox.

@v_shnu can you confirm it is OK to configure like this ?
Maybe update the github for others ?

@humptydumpty said in Nextcloud is very slow on Linode:

BTW, look into Syncthing (file sync), Wekan (kanban), Vikunja (kanban), and Matrix/Element (instead of Nextcloud Talk). All available on Cloudron.

I certainly agree that Nextcloud can get bloated and even unstable when too many plugins are enabled. I use it heavily for file storage and shared folders, but for almost nothing outside of this.

And definitely the other apps are worth exploring.

I think the reset of .env to defaults is because in the start.sh script there is this line

cp /app/.env.example /app/data/.env

Ideally this should be on a run once basis

so I adapted the start.sh by checking for .env existence

if [[ ! -f "/app/data/.env" ]]; then
        cp /app/.env.example /app/data/.env
fi

Let's see if that works.

@v_shnu app installs nicely now
I can run it and set it up in the app webpage.
But strangely I notice that the .env file in /app/data gets reset to default values after re-starting the app.
The changes are saved when I edit the file and save.
But then restarting the app resets the .env to default values (mostly blank).
Presumably this is not correct ?

Although some settings in the app persist, so some db integration working

@v_shnu No problem !

I think it was inclusion of emojis in CloudronManifest.json
Removed them and it installs
And .... I get "app installed".
Thank you
Now going to test it out

@v_shnu
Builds fine
But cloudron install --image xxxx gives me :

Failed to install app: 500 message: ER_TRUNCATED_WRONG_VALUE_FOR_FIELD: Incorrect string value: '\xF0\x9F\x94\xA5\xF0\x9F...' for column 'manifestJson' at row 1

Seems to be some encoding issue but can't track it down
Looking further ...

@v_shnu will do later today, thank you

@cryptoanarchyt said in How do I safely upgrade/update?:

regular updates are just ingrained in me when I login.

so you can enjoy being free from this routine burden with Cloudron ! I hardly ever login into Cloudron VPS. I use a mounted drive or Forklift SSH file access if I need to reach a directory.

FYI my Cloudron instance is on SSDNODES 3 year deal. It's my stable 'production' environment, and the annual Cloudron fee (much more sensible than monthly) is an easily justified time-saver.
And I have another SSDNODES on similar for "playing" with non-cloudron docker apps.

@cryptoanarchyt As I understand it, cloudron takes care of all OS updates, hence the warning.

If you're wanting to upgrade apps, then again Cloudron will do this automatically. Except for custom-packaged apps.

What packages on the OS or what apps are you thinking you need or want to update ?

@timconsidine I just tried installing 2 other custom apps in order to test my general setup

First one (focalboard) went through fine and is running.

2nd one (papercups) : also failed with host name issue.
But I packaged papercups myself and I don't really have any experience in this.

Investigating further ...

@timconsidine looking at logs, I don't understand all messages, but couple things I notice below.
Could be red-herrings, hope they're not a wild goose chase.

1. host name is not the app url

box:shell reload spawn: /usr/bin/sudo -S /home/yellowtent/box/src/scripts/restartservice.sh nginx
box:shell reload (stdout): sudo: unable to resolve host ssdnodes-612cb793ae148: Name or service not known

2. keybase

/gems/ruby/3.0.0/gems/railties-6.1.4/lib/rails/application.rb:603:in `validate_secret_key_base': Missing `secret_key_base` for 'production' environment, set this string with `bin/rails credentials:edit` (ArgumentError)

pid=67 tid=4kf WARN: ArgumentError: Missing `secret_key_base` for 'production' environment, set this string with `bin/rails credentials:edit`

@sojan_official thank you again, and some feedback.

Build runs very smoothly.
Installs to cloudron via CLI but stuck on "Wait for Health Check".
App stuck in "Starting ..."
I'm trying to diagnose, but thought I would report it.
Maybe someone can see cause more quickly than I can.

@fbartels nice article, thank you

@fbartels Thank you !

@murgero good to know !

@scooke

@klawitterb brillliant !
if it gets to production and you don't mind sharing it, let us know.
I'm having a play keycloak on another VPS (I'm always nervous of breaking things on my Cloudron)

@klawitterb thanks
Not used oidc before, so maybe that's where my knowledge gap starts.
Will look into it.
Where do you host keycloak ? You managed to get it as custom package into cloudron or you use it on another VPS ?
If you don't mind me asking.

Just sharing a thought
I tend to overlook the LAMP app here on Cloudron when considering possible apps.
But there's a ton of PHP apps out there which can be easily installed.
Just installed https://github.com/ondras/my-mind and https://github.com/charlesabarnes/SPFtoolbox using LAMP
They fit in sweetly. Hardly a surprise really. But LAMP just slips my mind ... and it shouldn't !

Others have managed using Wordpress Unmanaged.
Have yet to explore that as a deployment route, as LAMP is just so easy.

@marcusquinn did you consider netdata https://www.netdata.cloud ?

Seems to have a lot of metrics
Maybe you solved your system monitoring quest

@klawitterb is keycloak easy to use ?
haven't tried it out yet

@jdaviescoates useful info
I tried to install Outline on a separate VPS using CapRover
But it failed, maybe because I skipped the gmail and slack env variables, as I don't use those platforms.
So I canned it.
Maybe I will try again.

It certainly looks a useful app and would be nice to have here on Cloudron.

installed this on vanilla LAMP instance
just copied up files from github into public
some app icons didn't load from their directory, so I just moved them so app could find them

App is not pretty and is not as full featured as some mindmap apps.
But it works sweetly, and does what I need
Being self-hosted is sweet

Some options for GoogleDrive Storage or Firebase storage but I just won't use these. Maybe will comment out of code. Doesn't seem to be tracking, just storage integration.

If anyone wants a basic self-hosted mindmap and doesn't want to wait for a kind soul to package up something prettier, then using this on LAMP is easy.

@timbo developer states functionally complete so no more dev, just big bug fix
I guess that doesn't matter hugely

But there's another here : https://github.com/ondras/my-mind
Not so much fresher but an alternative
And if I read correctly, can just deploy inside of a LAMP stack on Cloudron
May have a bash later

@nikhil-nandagopal welcome !
It would be awesome to have Appsmith on Cloudron.
I see there is a one-click install for CapRover.
If you or one of your team could assist with packaging Appsmith for Cloudron, I'm sure many people would appreciate it.

@sojan_official hey, no problem, very grateful for your time.

I will look at this very shortly, many thanks.

@oj nice
but sadly seems only windows and linux clients can be backed up
i.e. no Mac devices

@humptydumpty thank you, will review

Generally Cloudron Forum is working (heck, I'm posting this !)

But just today I have had some pages fail to load with strange error, which I don't believe is correct error message.

Error message :

Internal Error.
Oops! Looks like something went wrong!

There seems to be a problem with your internet connection

Example page : https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3066/umami-self-hosted-open-source-alternative-to-google-analytics/1?_=1631269941058

It's only certain pages, not all topics.
I don't believe it is internet connection because other forum pages working and generally all else working.

@marcusquinn I'm not entirely sure what your needs are for your super-server, but I have installed CapRover https://caprover.com/ on its own VPS.

It run nicely with a number of one-click app installs. Although EspoCRM is not one of them, it has a number of ways to do custom installs to install EspoCRM

But CapRover has Portainer and Cockpit which might deal with your OS and service management. And Prometheus and Grafana if they come into the scope of service management.

@micmc it is nice, I have used it
I got bit disenchanted with old UI - doesn't scream modern
My users didn't like it much
But it works well.

@xarp interesting that LibreTranslate is integrated if you use the Min browser https://github.com/minbrowser/min

@brutalbirdie

@ericdrgn in terms of analytics, I've frewutnly wondered whether prometheus and grafana (already long standing apps here) could monitor Cloudron.
But both those apps confuse the hell out of me.
I'm sure they're great tools, but a tutorial / guided steup is sorely missing .... or a RAM upgrade in my brain.

@oj
I installed this on separate server
Useful little tool
I generally avoided reddit in past, this helps me be a little more engaged.

@chymian Looking at my backups :

• 44Gb on nextcloud primary instance
• 10Gb on nextcloud secondary instance
• 5Gb on a website
• all the rest <1Gb
• 67 apps total
• ~89Gb total being backed up
• start @ 2021-09-08T03:00:02
• nextcloud started @ 2021-09-08T03:04:06
• nextcloud complete @ 2021-09-08T04:23:21
• complete @ 2021-09-08T05:06:25
• cloudron on london ssdnode 32Gb RAM 400Gb disk
• backup destination scaleway (france paris)

I think I may have had a backup failure message in the past, but it's so long ago and so infrequent that I don't recall it.

I'm not a pro sysadmin but this seems very reasonable to me.

I really feel for you, because not having reliable backups can be gut wrenching, but as many have said, it doesn't look like a cloudron issue.
And I don't think it is an ssdnodes issue.

Any non-cloudron apps installed on the cloudron box ?
Something which can interfere with the process ?

@chymian what region is your ssdnodes data center ?
Just out of interest.
Mine is London.
I just realised that different data centers may invalidate comparison

@nebulon I decided to try out Chevereto using self-hosted Caprover.

I noticed this announcement :

We are deeply sorry to inform that we will stop maintaining Chevereto-Free on 2021-12-31 and we won't produce any more releases for it.

We are very sad for doing this, but kindly note that we are just a small 2-person team and we can't afford to gift this edition any longer. We are now focused exclusively in our paid edition, thanks for your support.

Many thanks for using our software! Hope you enjoyed the experience.

Totally understand and respect the decision by Chevereto team.
However I think this makes it a poor candidate for adding to Cloudron. Although Chevereto is very nice app and I was excited to see this in AppWishlist, no-one wants a frozen version.

@chymian ok, I will try to replicate (but have another project I should finish first)

@chymian said in Backup fails due to long runtime - backup hangs:

the server is hosted with ssdnodes.com and the tend to oversubscribe there systems.

I just signed up for some servers at ssdnodes.
Their prices are very aggressive so what you say makes sense.
However I am not seeing those problems so far in the time I have been with them.

I might have a bash at replicating what you're doing and see if I can get similar issues.
But I am not familiar with the detail of what you're doing, so will need to review the messages here.

Feel free to post your outline setup and I will have a bash at replicating to see if similar experience. Anything to narrow down the problem.

@caleno I too would like to see Plausible here on Cloudron.

I have Ackee installed and using it, and no problems, but I get the impression Plausible offers a bit more. Without a detailed analysis, just an impression.

And it's good to have a little choice in the categories here.

If you can't wait for it to be packaged here and are up for going solo, there is a nice guided walk-through here :
https://theselfhostingblog.com/posts/completely-self-hosting-plausible-io-a-privacy-friendly-alternative-to-google-analytics/

@nebulon I just noticed this is now at V1.1.0
https://listmonk.app/

For those that missed it :

What you need to know:

All of Docker’s products and services are now covered by a new set of terms - the Docker Subscription Service Agreement.
Docker subscriptions now encompass four tiers of service: Personal, Pro, Team, and Business (a new tier of service). Each tier includes Docker Desktop.
The existing Docker Free subscription has been renamed Docker Personal. Docker Desktop remains free for personal use, education, non-commercial open source projects, and small businesses (fewer than 250 employees AND less than $10M USD in annual revenue).
Commercial use of Docker Desktop in larger enterprises (more than 250 employees OR more than $10 million USD in annual revenue) requires a Docker Pro, Team or Business subscription for as little as $5 per user per month.
Docker Business is a new offering for organizations using Docker at scale for application development and requiring additional features like centralized management and secure software supply chain capabilities.
The new terms take effect on August 31, 2021 with a grace period until January 31, 2022 for those that will require a paid subscription to continue using Docker Desktop. By continuing to use Docker, you are agreeing to the new Docker Subscription Service Agreement.

I don't have >250 employees or > $10m p.a. revenue

Just wondering what the thoughts of the community here are on Docker's announcement this last week about restricting free use.
I am sure you understand these things more than I do.

With relative explosion of use of docker, I guess it was inevitable.
This is not a rant about their decision.
I am just wondering whether it changes anything.
Maybe not for low-intensity users like me.
But "upstream" I wonder how it affects things.
Especially Cloudron's reliance on docker.

LiMa (https://github.com/lima-vm/lima) seems to be the current go-to (escape-to).
For Mac users anyway (but I am one).

@aizat 2vCPU and 4Gb ram may be a little low, but I don't think that is the cause. Maybe others here will advise.

I think I started cloudron on linode with 8Gb ram, and then moved to other providers with 16Gb and now on 32Gb but that was inline with my increasing use of Cloudron. I now have 64 apps on Cloudron including 2 instances of Nextcloud.

32Gb is not expensive with SSDNODES. Actually cheaper than Linode 8Gb.

@aizat not sure it helps but I don't see this performance with Nextcloud on Cloudron. 30 seconds would be slow for me.

My first course of action in this case is always to reboot the VPS in the linode control panel or via ssh. But maybe you have done that already.

I used to use Cloudron on Linode and I did not see such problems. Although I moved away from Linode, I would not say they are bad. Just more expensive than they need to be.

If you have Cloudron installed, you can configuire backups to a different location (wasabi, scaleway, even Linode S3 compatible if they have it) and then on the new hosting provider, install cloudron and do a restore. It's in the docs but people will help here if needed. I just did this and it was seamless transfer (but you have to take care of DNS changes if needed)

@jdaviescoates yes, you're right.

Mea culpa.
I do a search prior to posting, but somehow I seem to miss things.
Apologies.

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