Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?
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I sounded like the Sliding Sync thing was included in the package a while ago, but the Element X phone app that takes advantage of it doesn't seem work with Matrix on Cloudron yet - unless that's just me?
@jdaviescoates said in Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?:
unless that's just me?
I tried the element x app on ipad os and when selecting my Cloudron homeserver I am getting a message "Server not supported" and "The selected homeserver doens't support password or oidc login.". Also the QR code login is shown as "not supported" within Element. Is it that what you mean?
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@jdaviescoates said in Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?:
unless that's just me?
I tried the element x app on ipad os and when selecting my Cloudron homeserver I am getting a message "Server not supported" and "The selected homeserver doens't support password or oidc login.". Also the QR code login is shown as "not supported" within Element. Is it that what you mean?
@fbartels from memory, yeah pretty much exactly something like that, yes
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I went down this rabbit hole now to investigate. The docs are hard to understand on the status quo or even where matrix is going and nuggets of information is various GitHub issues. Anyways, a few hours later, the rough summary is this:
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matrix synapse has built-in OIDC support. This built-in auth of synapse is now considered "legacy" auth. This legacy auth is only supported by the Element app.
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matrix now has a new authentication spec. This is implemented in MAS - Matrix Authentication Service which has just 43 stars and is in v0.12.0
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The idea of MAS is to take over user management and authentication. It runs as a separate web service, in it's own domain, has it's own db of users. IOW, with MAS, the users will move from the synapse web service to the MAS. There is a syn2mas migration script to move users.
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To deploy MAS seems not so hard (is a single rust binary) but configuring it is a beast. See https://element-hq.github.io/matrix-authentication-service/ .
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The Element X app only works when matrix is deployed with MAS . There is no plan to make it work with non-MAS setups.
I have no idea how stable and production ready all this is. As mentioned, the version is just 0.x and I can't find any information of when this hits 1.0. Reminds of the sliding sync situation. It was hyped up for a while and then later they obsoleted it.
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I went down this rabbit hole now to investigate. The docs are hard to understand on the status quo or even where matrix is going and nuggets of information is various GitHub issues. Anyways, a few hours later, the rough summary is this:
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matrix synapse has built-in OIDC support. This built-in auth of synapse is now considered "legacy" auth. This legacy auth is only supported by the Element app.
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matrix now has a new authentication spec. This is implemented in MAS - Matrix Authentication Service which has just 43 stars and is in v0.12.0
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The idea of MAS is to take over user management and authentication. It runs as a separate web service, in it's own domain, has it's own db of users. IOW, with MAS, the users will move from the synapse web service to the MAS. There is a syn2mas migration script to move users.
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To deploy MAS seems not so hard (is a single rust binary) but configuring it is a beast. See https://element-hq.github.io/matrix-authentication-service/ .
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The Element X app only works when matrix is deployed with MAS . There is no plan to make it work with non-MAS setups.
I have no idea how stable and production ready all this is. As mentioned, the version is just 0.x and I can't find any information of when this hits 1.0. Reminds of the sliding sync situation. It was hyped up for a while and then later they obsoleted it.
@girish said in Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?:
It was hyped up for a while and then later they obsoleted it.
I don't think it was obsloted, I think it was rolled into Synapse, no?
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@girish said in Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?:
It was hyped up for a while and then later they obsoleted it.
I don't think it was obsloted, I think it was rolled into Synapse, no?
@jdaviescoates I should have been clearer... I meant the sliding sync webapp got obsoleted and the repo was archived. TBH, I don't really know if the protocol / implementation was merged in a compatible way.
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G girish referenced this topic on
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I went down this rabbit hole now to investigate. The docs are hard to understand on the status quo or even where matrix is going and nuggets of information is various GitHub issues. Anyways, a few hours later, the rough summary is this:
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matrix synapse has built-in OIDC support. This built-in auth of synapse is now considered "legacy" auth. This legacy auth is only supported by the Element app.
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matrix now has a new authentication spec. This is implemented in MAS - Matrix Authentication Service which has just 43 stars and is in v0.12.0
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The idea of MAS is to take over user management and authentication. It runs as a separate web service, in it's own domain, has it's own db of users. IOW, with MAS, the users will move from the synapse web service to the MAS. There is a syn2mas migration script to move users.
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To deploy MAS seems not so hard (is a single rust binary) but configuring it is a beast. See https://element-hq.github.io/matrix-authentication-service/ .
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The Element X app only works when matrix is deployed with MAS . There is no plan to make it work with non-MAS setups.
I have no idea how stable and production ready all this is. As mentioned, the version is just 0.x and I can't find any information of when this hits 1.0. Reminds of the sliding sync situation. It was hyped up for a while and then later they obsoleted it.
@girish said in Has anyone got the Element X App working with Cloudron Matrix?:
matrix now has a new authentication spec. This is implemented in MAS - Matrix Authentication Service which has just 43 stars and is in v0.12.0
I just realised that 1.0.0 was released 2 days ago!
https://github.com/element-hq/matrix-authentication-service/releases/tag/v1.0.0
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Element X calls seem to require additional well-known configuration for Matrix RTC for calls.
When I tried to make a call with Element X, I got this error:
Error Code: MISSING_MATRIX_RTC_FOCUSThe issue is discussed here with some workarounds: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/issues/4224
From what I can gather, it seems you need to configure
/.well-known/matrix/clientor/.well-known/element/element.jsonwith RTC settings, but I'm not sure of the exact setup for Cloudron.Anyone figured this out?
This discussion might be closely related:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/13140/ -
on top of everything, Element X require livekit & jwt to work; if you are using OpenID connect - you have to use MAS, as Element X will not work otherwise (not now, nor ever).
