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Restoring Backups fails

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  • philkunzP Offline
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    #12

    Next problem: Trying to change the encryption password fails with this message:
    Screenshot 2025-10-21 at 18.46.39.png

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      How buggy can something be? Yes... Clicking the Remount Storage button meanwhile works without any error?

      Screenshot 2025-10-21 at 18.49.01.png

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        unmounting works after system reboot: To reiterate: The backup that failed, was a backup I created manually 10 minutes earlier. Then I tried earlier backups and I had to go back to 16th October to have a working backup.

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          As a consequence I think, two things should be changed:

          1. Create a working container first before deleting the old one.
          2. Verify backups automatically after creating them.
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            #16

            Otherwise this can end in a true shit show if someone relies on backups that are not working.

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              #17

              Hello @philkunz
              Really sorry to read that you had such an unpleasant experience with the backup and restore process.
              In Cloudron 9 the whole backup and restore process was overhauled with more integrity checks which should also minimize some of the issue you had here.

              @philkunz said in Restoring Backups fails:

              Why is the cloudron cli required for decrypting backups? It should be standard and documented. Am I missing something?

              Here is the documentation: https://docs.cloudron.io/guides/decrypt-backups/

              Can you maybe download the older backup that did not work and try to decrypt it locally?


              Regarding the unmounting exists mount and remounting.
              This can also be an issue related to your backup provider.

              @philkunz said in Restoring Backups fails:

              Clicking the Remount Storage button meanwhile works without any error?

              Would have been good to see what the box.log wrote when this happened.

              @philkunz said in Restoring Backups fails:

              Create a working container first before deleting the old one.

              I understand your sentiment, in the meanwhile, if you want to be extra careful, you can clone the app from a backup to ensure everything is working.

              @philkunz said in Restoring Backups fails:

              Verify backups automatically after creating them.

              This is done in Cloudron 9

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              • philkunzP philkunz

                Seems like other people had the same problem before. For me everything runs on Zen 4c infra with ecc, zfs... It for sure is not hardware related. Backups worked until a few days ago. Something must have happened on cloudron's die, weird race condition, something. This needs checking, and backups need to be tested every single time automatically by cloudron to find the pattern and cause. It can't be that a tar is corrupted. If the source is corrupted, the tar should still be ok by itself.

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                @philkunz said in Restoring Backups fails:

                Seems like other people had the same problem before. For me everything runs on Zen 4c infra with ecc, zfs...

                Is ZFS supported now?

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                  #19

                  zfs is on the host. cloudron uses non-cow inside the vm.

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                    cloudron_tarExtract_Pipeline error.png

                    Experiencing the same issue with CIFS mounts. Creating backups work seamlessly. When you go to restore it attempts to restore a small subset of files 3 times before displaying the error. I noticed when I go to restore the app it doesn't prompt for an encryption password, perhaps an internal issue with storing of the encryption hash?

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                    • D dylightful

                      cloudron_tarExtract_Pipeline error.png

                      Experiencing the same issue with CIFS mounts. Creating backups work seamlessly. When you go to restore it attempts to restore a small subset of files 3 times before displaying the error. I noticed when I go to restore the app it doesn't prompt for an encryption password, perhaps an internal issue with storing of the encryption hash?

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                      @dylightful Which provider are you using to backup files? What version of Cloudron are you using?

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