Bluesky Personal Data Server
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I don't have a clear view yet on what a bluesky setup all includes, but at least that Personal Data Server, which can apparently federate, does not have outlandish requirements on the system https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds?tab=readme-ov-file#preparation-for-self-hosting-pds
However it does not appear to have stable releases yet.
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@ekevu123 I doubt it'll be possible to do it in a way that works alongside Cloudron any time soon to be honest. For starters self hosting a Relay needs at least 4.5TB space. But also there are lots of moving parts that rely on particular version of things (e.g. Ubuntu 24.04 isn't supported yet etc etc ete). See https://alice.bsky.sh/post/3laega7icmi2q for more info.
@jdaviescoates said in Bluesky Personal Data Server:
For starters self hosting a Relay needs at least 4.5TB space.
As per https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lbvbtqrg5t2t this has already increased to 16TB!
So, yeah, hosting a Bluesky Relay not really a viable thing to individually self host.
But I guess the PDS more viable.
BTW this thread and the linked blog exchanges well worth a read
https://social.coop/@cwebber/113647109852249805
In short: Bluesky / ATproto is not (and will not be) really very decentralized. Still better than X though.
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@jdaviescoates said in Bluesky Personal Data Server:
For starters self hosting a Relay needs at least 4.5TB space.
As per https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lbvbtqrg5t2t this has already increased to 16TB!
So, yeah, hosting a Bluesky Relay not really a viable thing to individually self host.
But I guess the PDS more viable.
BTW this thread and the linked blog exchanges well worth a read
https://social.coop/@cwebber/113647109852249805
In short: Bluesky / ATproto is not (and will not be) really very decentralized. Still better than X though.
@jdaviescoates said in Bluesky Personal Data Server:
Still better than X though
Anything is better than X, on principle!
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Most people would be more interested to run their own PDS than a Relay I think, it's probably going to be bit by bit, i'm not expecting Bluesky to be born in a desired state of perfection because nothing on the internet is ever born that way but I do hope that over time more and more parts of Bluesky will able to be run by users if they choose so
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Most people would be more interested to run their own PDS than a Relay I think, it's probably going to be bit by bit, i'm not expecting Bluesky to be born in a desired state of perfection because nothing on the internet is ever born that way but I do hope that over time more and more parts of Bluesky will able to be run by users if they choose so
@rmdes said in Bluesky Personal Data Server:
I do hope that over time more and more parts of Bluesky will able to be run by users if they choose so
If you read that thread and linked posts it's pretty clear that it'll never be very decentralised.
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As per their blog post, is now possible to self host but they state it’s quite technical.
Would love the cloudron team to make it easy!
https://bsky.social/about/blog/02-22-2024-open-social-web
UPDATE: For the moment as the Cloudron team seems disinterested in supporting this (especially strange with the massive increase of people moving to Bluesky) I have put together a Linode StackScript that installs this with some prompts for key details. I don't have time to troubleshoot the script too much - but I believe it mostly works.
Linode link: https://cloud.linode.com/stackscripts/1536630
Blusky Discussion Post: https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds/discussions/141—-
So how can I self-host and join the network?It will become easier to host your own server over time, but at the moment you’ll need a bit of technical know-how to get up and running. If you’re excited to jump in, checkout the developer blog, the PDS repo on our Github, and the PDS Administrators Discord.
@shanelord01 thanks for bringing this up Shane. I would like to see it packaged, it will probably need to start as a custom app.
I installed one myself taking over a full KVM-1 VPS at Hostinger ($4/month).
I'm an AT Protocol expert and maintain a tech talks Ghost blog at https://atprotocol.dev (hosted on my Cloudron server!).
There are some misunderstandings in this thread about architecture and frankly I'm not going to argue about decentralization. Running a PDS means user ownership of your data, which seems very on mission for Cloudron.
It also handles auth, acting as your OAuth server wherever you log into with your account. There are multiple non-Bluesky apps with different data types (called Lexicons). A few of my favourites:
- Smoke Signal - events & RSVP https://smokesignal.events
- White Wind - markdown blogs https://whtwnd.com
- Frontpage - link ranking & discussion https://frontpage.fyi
- Recipe Exchange - recipe storage https://recipe.exchange
When you log into other AT Prototocol powered apps, the data is written to your own PDS. Here's my (Bluesky hosted) account with all the data types: https://atproto-browser.vercel.app/at/bmann.ca
It is also extremely low resource usage. Runs on NodeJS and SQL lite and some web socket connections.
I haven't gotten far in learning Cloudron packaging myself yet, but I'll update this thread if I get something guying.
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I'm taking a stab at packaging the Bluesky PDS. If anyone else is currently in progress on this or knows of a reason why it won't be possible, now is a good time to speak up!
@sfeldkamp Good luck, best wishes, it'd be a nice holiday gift for us all!
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@sfeldkamp It works, I could set the app up. But I didn't migrate my data, because apparently, you can't go back to cloud later, and I wasn't sure if I wanted to maintain this at the moment.
I can share a tutorial, but you came first, and I don't want to spoil the fun for you, so feel free to try first
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@sfeldkamp It works, I could set the app up. But I didn't migrate my data, because apparently, you can't go back to cloud later, and I wasn't sure if I wanted to maintain this at the moment.
I can share a tutorial, but you came first, and I don't want to spoil the fun for you, so feel free to try first
Please share! I'll take whatever help you can offer. Or post a submission if you have it done already and I can test it out.
According to the docs Cloudron will take over maintenance of the app image after it's published.
And Bluesky recently implemented incoming account migration so now a user can go back to Bluesky hosted PDS.
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Please share! I'll take whatever help you can offer. Or post a submission if you have it done already and I can test it out.
According to the docs Cloudron will take over maintenance of the app image after it's published.
And Bluesky recently implemented incoming account migration so now a user can go back to Bluesky hosted PDS.
https://docs.bsky.app/blog/incoming-migration@sfeldkamp said in Bluesky Personal Data Server:
According to the docs Cloudron will take over maintenance of the app image after it's published.
They will …. But better to be prepared to maintain until they adopt it. Sometimes it’s quick, sometimes not.
