What's coming in Cloudron 10

[fbartels]

@girish said:

Do we have concrete use cases? Maybe we should collect them and decide what is the best approach

It certainly always depends on the application one wants to use. I do remember some people requesting mailman as an app, but that was not possible because mailman wants mails directly delivered to it instead of to a mailbox.

One application that i currently use and could benefit from this would be ntfy, where you can also submit messages via smtp.

Another application that could benefit from this would be alternative mailservers like stalwart or the product from my employer if you need exchange like sync.

[avatar1024]

avatar1024 said:

Also given you're looking at emails, I wonder if you might have time to look at a couple more email related ideas (but I understand new features aren't and shouldn't be the priority over what you've listed):

2. Creating mailing lists based on a Cloudron group, so that mailing list recipients / email addresses get automatically updated when users enter / leave the group

3. Currently when I send an email to a mailing list I'm part of I also receive that email. Would it be possible to have an option (per mailing list) so that it is not the case, i.e. that senders don't receive their own email if they are part of the list?

@girish have any of the two features been looked at as part of the revamp (got kind of a workaround for 1. in my original post which in fact should work even work better with your new approach)?

No worries if not of course, it's just to know what to expect. 2. especially would be super useful as I can't find a clean workaround for doing that with current features.

[CRBear]

@subven said:

While I appreciate the upcoming mail related features and fixes, there is still one crucial feature left out that was talked about for years: Auto/Custom BCC for incoming/outgoing mail

We need to make them archivable to comply with german GoBD law. Setting this at client level would not pass as the law requires seamless documentation without user influence. This is not limited to german law but is generally useful for any company that needs to document business processes comprehensively. I know a lot of companys and freelancers lacking DMS systems, mostly because its complicated and can be very expensive.

Best case would be the ability to set global BCC per mailbox within Cloudron.

Is there any update on when this feature will become available?

A global/custom BCC setting per mailbox would be absolutely essential for us and is urgently needed, especially for reliable and seamless email archiving without depending on individual client-side settings.

[nebulon]

There are unfortunately no concrete plans to add this right now, but we do investigate this. For German GoBD law some "always BCC" is actually not a compliant way as I understand it, neither is using https://mail-archiver.org/ for example. The reason is that one has to archive in- and outbound emails on the transport and not storage (like mail archiver does) side of things. Which in our case means in haraka.

We will continue to discuss this internally where an how this can be best and ideally most compliant implemented with Cloudron, but we are not there just yet.

[CRBear]

Thank you very much for your reply.

In our case, our current requirement with Cloudron is simply to be able to archive outgoing emails from specialized applications on the server side, as unfortunately these applications do not support this functionality themselves (no CC / BCC).

For our use case, it would therefore be completely sufficient to have an “Auto-BCC” function that can be configured for individual mailboxes, entirely without any legal context.

Even a command-line workaround would be perfectly sufficient for us.

Thank you very much!

[necrevistonnezr]

@girish said:

girish said:

Ubuntu 26.04 support

We will have Ubuntu 26.04 LTS Resolute Raccoon support next release. I have managed to test this across most of the providers we support. We will have a guide during release time to upgrade manually from Ubuntu 24.04.

As 10 is out - can you share your experience with upgrading to Ubuntu 26.04.?

[nottheend]

@girish said:

In the network UI, there is a setting called "VPN protection". First enable the feature and select how to route the client traffic.

I love that feature! Thanks!

The setting offers three options, but I can't find them explained in the docs. What is the difference between "Route only app traffic" and "Route all client traffic"?
Where will the traffic be routed through for the "non-app traffic", if the option "only app traffic" is selected? Will the non app traffic be blocked then?

Thanks!

[p44]

@nottheend @girish

@nottheend said:

In the network UI, there is a setting called "VPN protection". First enable the feature and select how to route the client traffic.

This is a great feature. I hope it can be documented more thoroughly, to better understand how to benefit from it in all use cases and scenarios.

[jayonrails]

@necrevistonnezr sagte:

As 10 is out - can you share your experience with upgrading to Ubuntu 26.04.?

As there is no manual on how to do it on the Cloudron docs (see here for example) I would argue that this is not supported or tested yet, and only works for new installations.

[necrevistonnezr]

@jayonrails It‘s literally in the post from girish that I cited above : „We will have a guide during release time to upgrade manually from Ubuntu 24.04.“

[girish]

We will get the docs updated this week, mostly we were focusing on the getting the release out.

[adhodgson]

I did a server migration to Ubuntu 26.04 using the restore feature on a fresh install. This worked well but I just realised that when I ssh into the server its giving me the banner to log into the server to set it up. Its as if the restore process didn't complete correctly or the restore process didn't update the banner on successful completion. From my point of view all apps are up and working properly so I think this is a cosmetic issue only.

[jayonrails]

@adhodgson this is a known bug, follow up here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/129287

[girish]

To give an update, docs are mostly updated. 10.0.5 has been published. There is now a Ubuntu 26 migration guide (but only follow this after updating to 10.0.5 !)