What's coming in 6.0 (take 2)
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@girish Just a suggestion, but IMO it should have two dropdowns like the access section for apps. One for users and one for groups. Unsure of the implementation details but that just stood out to me.
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Some updates on volume management. There is now a volume view.
You add a host path as a volume and give it a name. This is most likely some EBS/external hard disk/Block Storage. There is also the file manager integration (the button next to the delete button).
You can then go to the app view and mount these volumes into the apps. There is a new Storage section.
There is a section overload in the app configure view
We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
There is a section overload in the app configure view We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.
Hi @girish I'd like to help with this if you're interested.
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We haven't decided on the naming yet, but maybe Volumes can be instead renamed to External Media or something, if it clarifies things. Open to other suggestions as well.
@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
We haven't decided on the naming yet, but maybe Volumes can be instead renamed to External Media or something, if it clarifies things. Open to other suggestions as well.
External media makes sense to me. Until the point Cloudron is able to backup these up (if that's something that will happen), I'd also have a tooltip saying 'External media is not included in Cloudron backups'.
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@avatar1024 Yes, that's the idea. The ownership will be dynamic.
That said, the initial outlook for the feature is not looking so good. There are two issues that need to be sorted out (suggestions/ideas welcome):
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Apps like SOGo show the "display name" of the user in the main UI. With a shared mailbox, it's not clear where this name should come from. With a single user, we give SOGo, the user's name. With multiple users, it's not clear what this should be.
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The authentication (from a user's point of view) is a bit confusing. Or maybe it's not, I would welcome some feedback here. You have to authenticate with the user's username/password but use the shared mailbox as the mailbox name. In some ways, this is the case already, when you use a different mailbox name with a different username.
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@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
There is a section overload in the app configure view We are looking to reducing the list of sections in the left pane. It's making things hard to find.
Hi @girish I'd like to help with this if you're interested.
@ei8fdb said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Hi @girish I'd like to help with this if you're interested.
Thanks for opening that gitlab issue! We won't do it for the current release atleast since there is massive UI surgery going on already for translations. Let's pick this one up after Cloudron 6 release in a separate thread.
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An update on this. The i18n is going along well, I think @nebulon is ~80% done. Once we are almost there, we will let you guys know in the translations thread. There is a large number of strings to be translated. We plan to ship Cloudron 6 with the code being translatable while the actual translations will be made available whenever they get ready.
Email container now has solr integration! While search is fast and I can search body (and maybe in future release attachments as well), there is something strange about how IMAP searches work. It seems it will search only under INBOX without the mail client having support for ESEARCH IMAP extension. I am also trying to figure how various mail clients behave here. Hopefully, should get sorted out this week.
Other features are done.
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An update on this. The i18n is going along well, I think @nebulon is ~80% done. Once we are almost there, we will let you guys know in the translations thread. There is a large number of strings to be translated. We plan to ship Cloudron 6 with the code being translatable while the actual translations will be made available whenever they get ready.
Email container now has solr integration! While search is fast and I can search body (and maybe in future release attachments as well), there is something strange about how IMAP searches work. It seems it will search only under INBOX without the mail client having support for ESEARCH IMAP extension. I am also trying to figure how various mail clients behave here. Hopefully, should get sorted out this week.
Other features are done.
@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
An update on this. The i18n is going along well, I think @nebulon is ~80% done.
Excellent and important work!
Once we are almost there, we will let you guys know in the translations thread. There is a large number of strings to be translated. We plan to ship Cloudron 6 with the code being translatable while the actual translations will be made available whenever they get ready.
Good plan
Email container now has solr integration!
Amazing!
While search is fast and I can search body (and maybe in future release attachments as well),
Attachments too would be excellent!
there is something strange about how IMAP searches work. It seems it will search only under INBOX without the mail client having support for ESEARCH IMAP extension. I am also trying to figure how various mail clients behave here. Hopefully, should get sorted out this week.
I could be way off mark here, but I've noticed in the past that lots of IMAP providers seem to put Sent and other folders as effectively subfolders of the inbox. Perhaps something to do with that?
Other features are done.
You're underselling yourself (tbf, that's always a good look).
Personally I am very exciting about these "other features"!
- Volumes!
- Mailbox sharing!
- Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
- Ubuntu 20.04 support! (Edit: tbh not particularly excited by this, because I'm more excited about having BBB on Cloudron and that isnt' even compatible with 18.04 yet!)
These are all fantastic new features!
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@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
An update on this. The i18n is going along well, I think @nebulon is ~80% done.
Excellent and important work!
Once we are almost there, we will let you guys know in the translations thread. There is a large number of strings to be translated. We plan to ship Cloudron 6 with the code being translatable while the actual translations will be made available whenever they get ready.
Good plan
Email container now has solr integration!
Amazing!
While search is fast and I can search body (and maybe in future release attachments as well),
Attachments too would be excellent!
there is something strange about how IMAP searches work. It seems it will search only under INBOX without the mail client having support for ESEARCH IMAP extension. I am also trying to figure how various mail clients behave here. Hopefully, should get sorted out this week.
I could be way off mark here, but I've noticed in the past that lots of IMAP providers seem to put Sent and other folders as effectively subfolders of the inbox. Perhaps something to do with that?
Other features are done.
You're underselling yourself (tbf, that's always a good look).
Personally I am very exciting about these "other features"!
- Volumes!
- Mailbox sharing!
- Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
- Ubuntu 20.04 support! (Edit: tbh not particularly excited by this, because I'm more excited about having BBB on Cloudron and that isnt' even compatible with 18.04 yet!)
These are all fantastic new features!
@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
We have some test image with Nginx + WP, that i have already shared with @girish, in the next few day we will work with him on some special feature to make the manifest compatible with OLS base image that we have pretty much ready, and later we will work on WP and NextCloud performance boost.
Probably next week, we will post some performance benchmarks of the new WP image, for both Nginx and OLS base image.
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@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
We have some test image with Nginx + WP, that i have already shared with @girish, in the next few day we will work with him on some special feature to make the manifest compatible with OLS base image that we have pretty much ready, and later we will work on WP and NextCloud performance boost.
Probably next week, we will post some performance benchmarks of the new WP image, for both Nginx and OLS base image.
@moocloud_matt oh you beat me to it.. was going to do Nginx based stack then add other webservers to the mix.
Can't wait for your testing.. godspeed.
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@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
An update on this. The i18n is going along well, I think @nebulon is ~80% done.
Excellent and important work!
Once we are almost there, we will let you guys know in the translations thread. There is a large number of strings to be translated. We plan to ship Cloudron 6 with the code being translatable while the actual translations will be made available whenever they get ready.
Good plan
Email container now has solr integration!
Amazing!
While search is fast and I can search body (and maybe in future release attachments as well),
Attachments too would be excellent!
there is something strange about how IMAP searches work. It seems it will search only under INBOX without the mail client having support for ESEARCH IMAP extension. I am also trying to figure how various mail clients behave here. Hopefully, should get sorted out this week.
I could be way off mark here, but I've noticed in the past that lots of IMAP providers seem to put Sent and other folders as effectively subfolders of the inbox. Perhaps something to do with that?
Other features are done.
You're underselling yourself (tbf, that's always a good look).
Personally I am very exciting about these "other features"!
- Volumes!
- Mailbox sharing!
- Faster Nextcloud and WordPress!
- Ubuntu 20.04 support! (Edit: tbh not particularly excited by this, because I'm more excited about having BBB on Cloudron and that isnt' even compatible with 18.04 yet!)
These are all fantastic new features!
@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Edit: tbh not particularly excited by this, because I'm more excited about having BBB on Cloudron and that isnt' even compatible with 18.04 yet!
And the worst is, they're explicitly putting all of the work in making BBB compatible with 18.04 first and they have no plans for 20.04.
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@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Edit: tbh not particularly excited by this, because I'm more excited about having BBB on Cloudron and that isnt' even compatible with 18.04 yet!
And the worst is, they're explicitly putting all of the work in making BBB compatible with 18.04 first and they have no plans for 20.04.
@avatar1024 I'm not too bothered by that but yeah it's a bit mad they are still on 16.04
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@ei8fdb said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Hi @girish I'd like to help with this if you're interested.
Thanks for opening that gitlab issue! We won't do it for the current release atleast since there is massive UI surgery going on already for translations. Let's pick this one up after Cloudron 6 release in a separate thread.
@girish Absolutely. I wasn't suggesting to implement it "now-now". More the case of suggesting to gather data earlier (could be done at any time really), so that when it came to thinking about implementation, you had some data to base decisions on.
To get enough data I'd suggest running the research for ~ 2-3 weeks. Analysis would be much quicker ~days. I'll happy to help with both.
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Another brief update:
- We added auth wall functionality that apps without any notion of login can use
- i18n is mostly done, just lots of testing before we let translators do their work. @nebulon can give some updates on how the language is selected etc.
- We added
httpPathsfunctionality so that @MooCloud_Matt can work on his OLS app. Also, see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3755/apache-ols-and-nginx-custom-benchmarks/5 - Reworked a lot of the internal dns stuff, so that we can have apps as dns servers (ad blocker apps)
- solr fts search was merged today.
Looks like we are set for a release next week!
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Another brief update:
- We added auth wall functionality that apps without any notion of login can use
- i18n is mostly done, just lots of testing before we let translators do their work. @nebulon can give some updates on how the language is selected etc.
- We added
httpPathsfunctionality so that @MooCloud_Matt can work on his OLS app. Also, see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3755/apache-ols-and-nginx-custom-benchmarks/5 - Reworked a lot of the internal dns stuff, so that we can have apps as dns servers (ad blocker apps)
- solr fts search was merged today.
Looks like we are set for a release next week!
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@girish Did the TURN server API auth stuff make it in for Nextcloud high performance backend'ness?
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Another brief update:
- We added auth wall functionality that apps without any notion of login can use
- i18n is mostly done, just lots of testing before we let translators do their work. @nebulon can give some updates on how the language is selected etc.
- We added
httpPathsfunctionality so that @MooCloud_Matt can work on his OLS app. Also, see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3755/apache-ols-and-nginx-custom-benchmarks/5 - Reworked a lot of the internal dns stuff, so that we can have apps as dns servers (ad blocker apps)
- solr fts search was merged today.
Looks like we are set for a release next week!
@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
solr fts search was merged today.
This is great... but I'm intrigued to how exactly we'll be able to take advantage of it e.g. to search email/ files?
Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?
I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?
Thanks!
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@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
solr fts search was merged today.
This is great... but I'm intrigued to how exactly we'll be able to take advantage of it e.g. to search email/ files?
Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?
I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?
Thanks!
@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?
That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.
I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?
Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).
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@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?
That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.
I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?
Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).
@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.
OK, thanks.
I guess part of what I'm asking is does having solr enabled some allow for using some Gmail-style search operators like from: to: in:sent has:attachment etc?
I'm guessing perhaps not and that such things would need to be built in/ added to the webmail clients themselves? But I'm unclear
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@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.
OK, thanks.
I guess part of what I'm asking is does having solr enabled some allow for using some Gmail-style search operators like from: to: in:sent has:attachment etc?
I'm guessing perhaps not and that such things would need to be built in/ added to the webmail clients themselves? But I'm unclear
@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
I'm guessing perhaps not and that such things would need to be built in/ added to the webmail clients themselves? But I'm unclear
Right, those features like operators have to come from mail clients themselves. Note that solr is actually not adding anything new to what is already there. It's just making search faster internally by having an index.
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@jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?
That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.
I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?
Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).
@girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):
Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).
Looks like someone started to make one, but there hasn't been any updates since Jun 2019
