Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.

[adrw]

I agree, it'd be great to have a robust CalDAV server that handles invite emails robustly. If that option is Baikal, I'm all for it. I definitely prefer SOGo for GUI but that bugs with invites mangling events (making the organize null) when I add an invitee and then not sending the email is very frustrating.

[christiaan]

Is Sabre/Baikal the same thing??

[jdaviescoates]

@christiaan said in Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.:

Is Sabre/Baikal the same thing??

Yes, Baikal is sabre with a an admin ui

"Baïkal is powered by sabre/dav, while offering an administrative interface for easy management."

From https://sabre.io/baikal/

[foliovision]

It sounds to me that if Sabre/dav is to be added, Cloudron should add the full Sabre/dav | Baikal stack with GUI. We are using Fruux (who are the main users/sponsors of Sabre/dav | Baikal) and have been having all kinds of issues with syncing of CardDAV. CalDAV has been quite a bit better for us (production quality) but with complaints from the team of occasional issues.

Part of the issue is Apple's deliberate sabotaging of CardDAV/CalDAV to drive users to iCloud. We are never going to use iCloud (sharing our calendars directly with the NSA/CIA/FBI).

Even if it's not the fault of Fruux/Baikal developers, we still need working MacOS and iOS sync. This means we are looking for a CalDAV/CardDAV stack which programs defensively for iOS and MacOS. I'm going to ask NextCloud users again about reliability of NextCloud with Apple devices.

If Sabre/dav | Baikal won't work any better than Fruux, I'd vote against adding this stack as I know it doesn't sync reliably.

[fbartels]

@foliovision said in Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.:

I'm going to ask NextCloud users again about reliability of NextCloud with Apple devices.

Nextcloud is also just using Sabredav under the hood, so the probability of it working differently are slim.

[d19dotca]

@foliovision said in Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.:

we are looking for a CalDAV/CardDAV stack which programs defensively for iOS and MacOS

As a macOS and iOS user myself, that is why I suggested this CalDAV/CardDAV stack (Sabre/dav) because from my readings at least (at the time I suggested this) it seemed to be the most compatible and complete DAV solution. The current Radicale stack states explicitly that it does not intend to support the full RFC for CalDAV and CardDAV and wants to remain as "simple" as possible, which unfortunately causes issues for those who need some extra features like calendar sharing and better support for more devices / apps. If you're aware of others that are better, please add them to the App Wishlist.

[necrevistonnezr]

@foliovision said in Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.:

I'm going to ask NextCloud users again about reliability of NextCloud with Apple devices.

Works fine here without hiccups.

[ruihildt]

I would definitely welcome a solution which is working without Nextcloud, especially as Cubby matures.

[christiaan]

@foliovision said in Sabre/dav - CalDAV and CardDAV server, alternative to Radicale.:

I'm going to ask NextCloud users again about reliability of NextCloud with Apple devices.

I tried Radicale and ran into problems. Went back to using Nextcloud which we find very reliable, apart from this alert badge in Calendar on Macs. The thing is it doesn't seem to actually affect anything. Everything works as expected despite this message.

The server responded with an error.
The request for account “beehive.archi” failed.

The server responded with
“501”
to operation CalDAVUpdateShareesQueuableOperation.
Try Again | OK

[christiaan]

@foliovision actually I do seem to need to click on the alert I'm getting and click OK to get it to sync properly.