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  • girishG Offline
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    girish
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    wrote on last edited by girish
    #7

    @jenny_molloy For subdomain emails, simply add the subdomain itself as a domain in Cloudron. Then the mail server will started allowing that subdomain for outbound. You can even setup SES relay in mail -> domain -> SES.

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    • jenny_molloyJ Offline
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      jenny_molloy
      wrote on last edited by
      #8

      Great - adding the subdomain in Cloudron and setting up Amazon SES login for that fixed the issue so I can now both send (via SES) and receive emails (via a Zoho pop mail box), including reply by email mode.
      Thanks for your advice everyone!

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        #9

        I am in the same boat.

        Discourse has IMAP support but only for group inboxes, not for "reply by email".

        Discourse was one of the big apps I want to be running on Cloudron, and having to add an external email provider just for POP3 really sucks.

        Discourse has their "mail receiver" docker container that runs all of this for you if you self install elsewhere, and works really well.

        "Don't run Discourse on Cloudron" seems like a bad solution. Is this on a backlog somewhere to solve?

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        • bmannB bmann

          I am in the same boat.

          Discourse has IMAP support but only for group inboxes, not for "reply by email".

          Discourse was one of the big apps I want to be running on Cloudron, and having to add an external email provider just for POP3 really sucks.

          Discourse has their "mail receiver" docker container that runs all of this for you if you self install elsewhere, and works really well.

          "Don't run Discourse on Cloudron" seems like a bad solution. Is this on a backlog somewhere to solve?

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          jdaviescoates
          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          @bmann I hadn't realised "reply by email" doesn't work on Cloudron, but if that's the case then that is a rather major issue that really ought to have @staff attention imho. It's a core feature of Discourse that many people familiar with Discourse have come to expect.

          I'm not sure, but I think it's basically the same/ a related issue @jimcavoli has been hitting when trying to package Loomio, see:

          https://forum.cloudron.io/post/35429

          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            #11

            Does "reply-by-email" work for NodeBB?

            Conscious tech

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            • bmannB bmann

              I am in the same boat.

              Discourse has IMAP support but only for group inboxes, not for "reply by email".

              Discourse was one of the big apps I want to be running on Cloudron, and having to add an external email provider just for POP3 really sucks.

              Discourse has their "mail receiver" docker container that runs all of this for you if you self install elsewhere, and works really well.

              "Don't run Discourse on Cloudron" seems like a bad solution. Is this on a backlog somewhere to solve?

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              girish
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              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              @bmann I guess https://github.com/discourse/mail-receiver is the repo? Did I understand correctly that it can be run on a separate server and hooked up to Cloudron+Discourse install? (Of course, ideally, we can have this all part of the Cloudron package itself or maybe a separate Cloudron package)

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                #13

                Argh. Just gone through a lengthy process of getting Discourse set up - and it was a big part of choosing Cloudron - only to find this thread.

                This is challenging, even though there is an answer.

                1. Any solutions?
                2. Does NodeBB do inbound? On Cloudron?
                3. Can this be done with Mailgun instead?
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                • E eddowding

                  Argh. Just gone through a lengthy process of getting Discourse set up - and it was a big part of choosing Cloudron - only to find this thread.

                  This is challenging, even though there is an answer.

                  1. Any solutions?
                  2. Does NodeBB do inbound? On Cloudron?
                  3. Can this be done with Mailgun instead?
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                  girish
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  @eddowding nodebb doesn't do inbound afaik. Incidentally, I was looking into making our recvmail addon work. Let me look into if it's easy to enable POP3 at a mailbox level.

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                  • girishG girish

                    @eddowding nodebb doesn't do inbound afaik. Incidentally, I was looking into making our recvmail addon work. Let me look into if it's easy to enable POP3 at a mailbox level.

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                    eddowding
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                    #15

                    @girish thanks - here's hoping.

                    Would this be a quick-to-deploy solution?

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                    • E eddowding

                      Argh. Just gone through a lengthy process of getting Discourse set up - and it was a big part of choosing Cloudron - only to find this thread.

                      This is challenging, even though there is an answer.

                      1. Any solutions?
                      2. Does NodeBB do inbound? On Cloudron?
                      3. Can this be done with Mailgun instead?
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                      jdaviescoates
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      @eddowding said in Discourse and incoming email:

                      Can this be done with Mailgun instead?

                      I've not tried it yet, but I think there is a new option when installing apps to not use Cloudron for mail at all and to just configure it all within the app itself. I guess that might work @staff ?

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                        @eddowding said in Discourse and incoming email:

                        Can this be done with Mailgun instead?

                        I've not tried it yet, but I think there is a new option when installing apps to not use Cloudron for mail at all and to just configure it all within the app itself. I guess that might work @staff ?

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                        girish
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        @jdaviescoates That feature is for used for configuring apps that send email. @eddowding wants a way for an app to receive email.

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                        • E eddowding

                          @girish thanks - here's hoping.

                          Would this be a quick-to-deploy solution?

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                          girish
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          @eddowding yes, it will be part of update (if we implement it). Just to double check, this feature only makes sense if your domain's email is also hosted on Cloudron. Is that the case with your setup?

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                          • girishG girish

                            @jdaviescoates That feature is for used for configuring apps that send email. @eddowding wants a way for an app to receive email.

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                            jdaviescoates
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                            @girish said in Discourse and incoming email:

                            @jdaviescoates That feature is for used for configuring apps that send email. @eddowding wants a way for an app to receive email.

                            I realised @eddowding wants to receive email (and I think it's really quite bad that Discourse is a Stable App but doesn't have some of it's basic features packaged, nor any warning of those missing features. Indeed when installing that app it says "Use it as a: mailing list" which you can't do if it can't receive mail), I just figured Mailgun details or whatever could be entered somewhere into Discourse settings and that might work. I guess you're saying that wouldn't work but I don't think I really understand why that would be the case 🙂

                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                              @girish said in Discourse and incoming email:

                              @jdaviescoates That feature is for used for configuring apps that send email. @eddowding wants a way for an app to receive email.

                              I realised @eddowding wants to receive email (and I think it's really quite bad that Discourse is a Stable App but doesn't have some of it's basic features packaged, nor any warning of those missing features. Indeed when installing that app it says "Use it as a: mailing list" which you can't do if it can't receive mail), I just figured Mailgun details or whatever could be entered somewhere into Discourse settings and that might work. I guess you're saying that wouldn't work but I don't think I really understand why that would be the case 🙂

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                              wrote on last edited by girish
                              #20

                              @jdaviescoates It's debatable if mailing list is a basic feature for forum software (though it seems the description comes from https://github.com/discourse/discourse#readme and I am reluctant to remove it since this is what the upstream devs think ) 🙂

                              That said, you can use it as a mailing list, just not if the email domain is hosted on Cloudron since we don't support POP3 yet. I also don't know why they only support POP3 when all other apps support IMAP (gitlab, freescout, espocrm for example). Anyone have any background on this?

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                              • girishG girish

                                @eddowding yes, it will be part of update (if we implement it). Just to double check, this feature only makes sense if your domain's email is also hosted on Cloudron. Is that the case with your setup?

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                                #21

                                @girish Yep email is / can be hosted here too for this domain.

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                                • girishG girish

                                  @jdaviescoates It's debatable if mailing list is a basic feature for forum software (though it seems the description comes from https://github.com/discourse/discourse#readme and I am reluctant to remove it since this is what the upstream devs think ) 🙂

                                  That said, you can use it as a mailing list, just not if the email domain is hosted on Cloudron since we don't support POP3 yet. I also don't know why they only support POP3 when all other apps support IMAP (gitlab, freescout, espocrm for example). Anyone have any background on this?

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                                  #22

                                  @girish https://meta.discourse.org/t/configuring-reply-via-email/42026

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                                  • girishG girish

                                    @jdaviescoates It's debatable if mailing list is a basic feature for forum software (though it seems the description comes from https://github.com/discourse/discourse#readme and I am reluctant to remove it since this is what the upstream devs think ) 🙂

                                    That said, you can use it as a mailing list, just not if the email domain is hosted on Cloudron since we don't support POP3 yet. I also don't know why they only support POP3 when all other apps support IMAP (gitlab, freescout, espocrm for example). Anyone have any background on this?

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                                    wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
                                    #23

                                    @girish said in Discourse and incoming email:

                                    I also don't know why they only support POP3

                                    Yes, it does seem odd.

                                    Although it sounds like it's not the only way:

                                    Pushing emails via the Discourse API

                                    Alternatively, you can push emails to Discourse via the API. For that, you will need

                                    To check the manual_polling_enabled site setting.
                                    A master API key 138 or an API key associated to a staff member.
                                    

                                    Then, to push an email to Discourse, you need to pass the raw email content as the “email” parameter when POSTing to “/admin/email/handle_mail”. The endpoint accepts application/json (recommended), multipart/form-data, or application/x-www-urlencoded request bodies (with an appropriate request Content-Type header, naturally).

                                    You’re done

                                    From the link @eddowding posted above

                                    Edit: also, this thread should not be marked as solved, as this issue has not yet been solved.

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                      @girish said in Discourse and incoming email:

                                      I also don't know why they only support POP3

                                      Yes, it does seem odd.

                                      Although it sounds like it's not the only way:

                                      Pushing emails via the Discourse API

                                      Alternatively, you can push emails to Discourse via the API. For that, you will need

                                      To check the manual_polling_enabled site setting.
                                      A master API key 138 or an API key associated to a staff member.
                                      

                                      Then, to push an email to Discourse, you need to pass the raw email content as the “email” parameter when POSTing to “/admin/email/handle_mail”. The endpoint accepts application/json (recommended), multipart/form-data, or application/x-www-urlencoded request bodies (with an appropriate request Content-Type header, naturally).

                                      You’re done

                                      From the link @eddowding posted above

                                      Edit: also, this thread should not be marked as solved, as this issue has not yet been solved.

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                                      eddowding
                                      wrote on last edited by eddowding
                                      #24

                                      I'd love to use the API but it's far from obvious if that's actually possible on Cloudron. @jenny_molloy's opening post suggests it's not.

                                      https://meta.discourse.org/t/direct-delivery-incoming-email-for-self-hosted-sites/49487

                                      @jdaviescoates

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                                        #25

                                        POP3 is enabled in the next release. Though, I haven't tried if Discourse works well with that.

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                                          To give an update on this. Currently the package lacks the pre-setup of the pop3 configs, this is under way, however even then I wasn't able to make use of that feature properly, despite the app receiving the emails. May just be that I haven't fully grasped how it is supposed to work.

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