Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?
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@scooke I really think you're making it yourself a little bit too complicated
I manage 4 Cloudron's Premium, of which 3 are for 3 different foundations working with volunteers (average age 65+)
This is my workflow:
- create an account with username: firstname.lastname and with an email address I know. BUT: don't send invitation link! Make it member of the usergroup "webmail" and make sure the "webmail"-app is accessible by that group and the rest of the apps NOT
- create an email account with same name firstname.lastname and the owner is the user in step 1
- go back to the user and change the Primary email into the just created email address in step 2
- copy the invite link and use it in a self composed email
What I do explain to the users:
- "your account for my.domainname.tld is to make use of our fantastic platform and to manage you password"
- "logging in to my.domainname.tld shows you a personal dashboard with all the apps you need"
- "click on My Webmail and log in with your username firstname.lastname and you self created password" (I rename all the LDAP apps to start with My and explain that every such app is accessible with same credentials.
That's it!
@imc67 I really appreciate the time you took to explain your process. Believe it or not, this is exactly what I've been aiming to do. BUT, there is still a question that remains unclear in the process:
When is the password created?
Your Step 4
use it in a self composed email... you send this to yourself, and you set the password?When you explain it to your users, you must be sending the email to another email address of theirs. This is one hurdle I was hoping to avoid, but it seems not. And then when they go to the fantastic platform to manage their password it sounds like they are (re)setting their password, and not in fact you in Step 4.
I like the way you explain the Cloudron Dashboard.
So, if you monitor their access at all, do they all continue to access their webmail by logging into the Cloudron, and then clicking on the webmail icon? Or do they go straight to the webmail url after some time?
Cheers!
A life lived in fear is a life half-lived
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@imc67 I really appreciate the time you took to explain your process. Believe it or not, this is exactly what I've been aiming to do. BUT, there is still a question that remains unclear in the process:
When is the password created?
Your Step 4
use it in a self composed email... you send this to yourself, and you set the password?When you explain it to your users, you must be sending the email to another email address of theirs. This is one hurdle I was hoping to avoid, but it seems not. And then when they go to the fantastic platform to manage their password it sounds like they are (re)setting their password, and not in fact you in Step 4.
I like the way you explain the Cloudron Dashboard.
So, if you monitor their access at all, do they all continue to access their webmail by logging into the Cloudron, and then clicking on the webmail icon? Or do they go straight to the webmail url after some time?
Cheers!
@scooke said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
and you set the password?
No, I just send them the copied unique password reset-link from the user GUI in Cloudron in my own composed email, they set their password by themselves, I don't want to know that.
Indeed every user has as primary email the domain, but for password reset everyone has a "personal/external" email address, otherwise they won't be able to receive the password reset email if they've forgot it. The same is for you "welcome" email, you have to send it to their current.
Some of the users are smart and recognize the URL of webmail and go there straight ahead. But I do want them to be aware of the Dashboard because we may rollout new apps for them.
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@scooke said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
and you set the password?
No, I just send them the copied unique password reset-link from the user GUI in Cloudron in my own composed email, they set their password by themselves, I don't want to know that.
Indeed every user has as primary email the domain, but for password reset everyone has a "personal/external" email address, otherwise they won't be able to receive the password reset email if they've forgot it. The same is for you "welcome" email, you have to send it to their current.
Some of the users are smart and recognize the URL of webmail and go there straight ahead. But I do want them to be aware of the Dashboard because we may rollout new apps for them.
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@scooke I really think you're making it yourself a little bit too complicated
I manage 4 Cloudron's Premium, of which 3 are for 3 different foundations working with volunteers (average age 65+)
This is my workflow:
- create an account with username: firstname.lastname and with an email address I know. BUT: don't send invitation link! Make it member of the usergroup "webmail" and make sure the "webmail"-app is accessible by that group and the rest of the apps NOT
- create an email account with same name firstname.lastname and the owner is the user in step 1
- go back to the user and change the Primary email into the just created email address in step 2
- copy the invite link and use it in a self composed email
What I do explain to the users:
- "your account for my.domainname.tld is to make use of our fantastic platform and to manage you password"
- "logging in to my.domainname.tld shows you a personal dashboard with all the apps you need"
- "click on My Webmail and log in with your username firstname.lastname and you self created password" (I rename all the LDAP apps to start with My and explain that every such app is accessible with same credentials.
That's it!
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Just chipping in here @girish to point out this this is a good area for attention, because this process is a bit .. byzantine.
Also even if app access is restricted, if a user goes to Dropdown > Email, they can see all the hosted domains.
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@eddowding I have a hard time to understand where this last message fits into the thread, can you explain a bit more?
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@nebulon sure.
Creating email accounts for users on Cloudron is not intuitive, simple, or straightforward and involves far too much admin and processing hacking in order to make it work.
@eddowding So, you would prefer a unified view instead of selecting the domain first? In any case, would be great if you can create a separate topic with your suggestion since this topic was about cloudron user+mailboxes initially. Would be good to hear!
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@eddowding So, you would prefer a unified view instead of selecting the domain first? In any case, would be great if you can create a separate topic with your suggestion since this topic was about cloudron user+mailboxes initially. Would be good to hear!
@girish There were two topics, both related to the create user / email flow.
As @imc67 outlined on 1st Feb, it takes 7 steps in 3 parts to create an email address for a user. I hope we could all agree that that's too complicated.
I could perhaps have reported the data privacy flaw separately. However as a paid user I really hate it when companies I pay for a service make ME do their error reporting work.
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For some reason I am still not fully following what this is about, especially the "data privacy flaw" is very much unclear. For the mailbox creation, are there any suggestions on how to improve the flow? Is this mostly about that a Cloudron user has to exist, who owns the mailbox?
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For some reason I am still not fully following what this is about, especially the "data privacy flaw" is very much unclear. For the mailbox creation, are there any suggestions on how to improve the flow? Is this mostly about that a Cloudron user has to exist, who owns the mailbox?
@nebulon said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
the "data privacy flaw" is very much unclear.
I think that's just this:
@eddowding said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
Also even if app access is restricted, if a user goes to Dropdown > Email, they can see all the hosted domains.
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@nebulon said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
the "data privacy flaw" is very much unclear.
I think that's just this:
@eddowding said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
Also even if app access is restricted, if a user goes to Dropdown > Email, they can see all the hosted domains.
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@jdaviescoates is this because that user has the role of User and Email Manager? Is this so Cloudron used like a shared hosting environment of sorts?
@nebulon said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
@jdaviescoates is this because that user has the role of User and Email Manager? Is this so Cloudron used like a shared hosting environment of sorts?
I've no idea. @eddowding ?
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@nebulon said in Is there a way to create email addresses without creating Cloudron users?:
@jdaviescoates is this because that user has the role of User and Email Manager? Is this so Cloudron used like a shared hosting environment of sorts?
I've no idea. @eddowding ?
