Object Storage or Block Storage for backups of growing 60+ GB?
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@d19dotca We're noticing some significant slowdowns with IDrive backup uploads now. (We have lots and lots of small files and over 1TB). Just wondering if you'd experienced anything that might seem like throttling?
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@d19dotca We're noticing some significant slowdowns with IDrive backup uploads now. (We have lots and lots of small files and over 1TB). Just wondering if you'd experienced anything that might seem like throttling?
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@marcusquinn Oh oh... too good to be true?
@scooke Maybe, trying their support.
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@d19dotca We're noticing some significant slowdowns with IDrive backup uploads now. (We have lots and lots of small files and over 1TB). Just wondering if you'd experienced anything that might seem like throttling?
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idk what tech is behind their stack, but if it is just HDD with no NVMe for caching metadata or any kind of index.
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Changing strategy to Tarball and that seems to complete in a few minutes. Might just have to be the trade-off for our apps, that have lots and lots of small files. More S3 storage usage but faster to backup and restore, and more self-contained for each backup not relying on files from others.
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Changing strategy to Tarball and that seems to complete in a few minutes. Might just have to be the trade-off for our apps, that have lots and lots of small files. More S3 storage usage but faster to backup and restore, and more self-contained for each backup not relying on files from others.
@marcusquinn yes, that is the more optimal format for object storage, plus incremental diffs.
We discussed elsewhere on the forum a hybrid option inbetween rsync by file and large tgz.
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Yeah, I'm gonna call this, any backups >100GB or >100,000 files is likely to get impractically slower for most budget S3 storage. Might be worth a note/tooltip in the settings to suggest tarball for Cloudron servers over these numbers.
TBH I think the compression and minimal numbers of files being uploaded, with a sensible retention policy, is going to offset any storage-saving from using rsync. Rsync is a nice idea in theory for smaller directories, but I feel the file count costs are higher than storage costs for local compression and uploading that for each backup run.
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Yeah, I'm gonna call this, any backups >100GB or >100,000 files is likely to get impractically slower for most budget S3 storage. Might be worth a note/tooltip in the settings to suggest tarball for Cloudron servers over these numbers.
TBH I think the compression and minimal numbers of files being uploaded, with a sensible retention policy, is going to offset any storage-saving from using rsync. Rsync is a nice idea in theory for smaller directories, but I feel the file count costs are higher than storage costs for local compression and uploading that for each backup run.
@marcusquinn I haven’t noticed that myself but been using tgz the whole time and it’s been quite fast overall so far.
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To confirm on my R&D inspired by this thread. We're happy now with:
- IDrive on the introduction offer pricing
- Tarball for the backup method
- IDrive and Tarball encryption
- 7 Daily, 4 Weekly, 12 Monthly retention policy
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To confirm on my R&D inspired by this thread. We're happy now with:
- IDrive on the introduction offer pricing
- Tarball for the backup method
- IDrive and Tarball encryption
- 7 Daily, 4 Weekly, 12 Monthly retention policy
@marcusquinn how happy are you with idrivee2 these days? I started a trial on Thursday and all was working well, but since Friday I am getting errors left right and center. Opened a support call and it's with their back end team. I am waiting for a response from them, hopefully Monday.
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@marcusquinn how happy are you with idrivee2 these days? I started a trial on Thursday and all was working well, but since Friday I am getting errors left right and center. Opened a support call and it's with their back end team. I am waiting for a response from them, hopefully Monday.
@vansens Still seems to be working. You followed the above settings? (I doubt Rsync will work)
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@vansens Still seems to be working. You followed the above settings? (I doubt Rsync will work)
@marcusquinn I found it was an issue with idrivee2. Moved bucket and backups to another region and all started to work again
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Interesting. I decided to test something with a local Datacentre closer to my VPS called IDrive e2 (seems like a recent s3 competitor from mid-2022 which promises high speeds).
Backblaze is good although I find it quite slow (mostly because my VPS is in a very far away Datacentre from Backblaze's California (us-west) location. Speed isn't critical since it's just backups but definitely helps still.
Backblaze's pricing for their API calls scares me a little bit, makes me think it'll be much more pricey than I'm anticipating. May just need to test it out for a while to verify.
I see what you mean about Wasabi's weird 90-day storage policy which means even deleted files are still counted for 90 days, and my current estimate is quickly adding up, so I think despite initially happy with Wasabi's performance I may need to abandon that provider.
Still experimenting. Currently in the middle of a large 60+GB backup to IDrive e2 (using rsync instead of tarball for now) and have to say I'm super impressed with the speeds. Their pricing is also quite minimal. Will see if they end up being the one I use.
@d19dotca said in Object Storage or Block Storage for backups of growing 60+ GB?:
Still experimenting. Currently in the middle of a large 60+GB backup to IDrive e2 (using rsync instead of tarball for now) and have to say I'm super impressed with the speeds.
Have you managed to connect idrive to your Cloudron as a volume for storage? How did you manage to do that? Can you do it from within the Cloudron panel?
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@d19dotca said in Object Storage or Block Storage for backups of growing 60+ GB?:
Still experimenting. Currently in the middle of a large 60+GB backup to IDrive e2 (using rsync instead of tarball for now) and have to say I'm super impressed with the speeds.
Have you managed to connect idrive to your Cloudron as a volume for storage? How did you manage to do that? Can you do it from within the Cloudron panel?
@LoudLemur I find rsync too slow with zilions of small files. You'd think it would be quicker as incremental, but large compressed files are beating many small files, same for storage space, compressed significantly less storage costs.
