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    • yusfY yusf

      @msbt First, thank you for this migration guide, it's exactly what I need.

      I also had to re-verify the devices to read the encrypted history

      What do you think this is due to?

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      msbt
      App Dev
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      #10

      @yusf that is a good question, I moved the app to a different subdomain to test around, but that's probably not it. I'm guessing it is because of new keys and everything, haven't tried to re-use any of the existing ones.

      Oh yea, atm there is no default channel, you might want to remove the comment on those lines as well to get new users in there automatically 😉

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        #11

        @stantropics already askes this question in the closed matrix thread:

        First of all, thanks to everyone who has been working on the matrix app. I'm very happy to be able to run it on cloudron! 🙂 👍

        Making a user an administrator.
        Referring to the documentation (https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/wiki) one command needs to be executed to make a user an admin - it manipulates the data in the postgresdb:
        UPDATE users SET admin = 1 WHERE name = '@foo:bar.com'
        What is the recommended way to perform this on Cloudron?

        Thanks a lot in advance.
        Stay healthy everyone!

        Is there any recommended way to set a user as an admin in the app store released version of matrix?

        Thanks!

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        • N NCKNE

          @stantropics already askes this question in the closed matrix thread:

          First of all, thanks to everyone who has been working on the matrix app. I'm very happy to be able to run it on cloudron! 🙂 👍

          Making a user an administrator.
          Referring to the documentation (https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/wiki) one command needs to be executed to make a user an admin - it manipulates the data in the postgresdb:
          UPDATE users SET admin = 1 WHERE name = '@foo:bar.com'
          What is the recommended way to perform this on Cloudron?

          Thanks a lot in advance.
          Stay healthy everyone!

          Is there any recommended way to set a user as an admin in the app store released version of matrix?

          Thanks!

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          girish
          Staff
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          @NCKNE The sql command is probably the way to go for the app store version as well. I will put it in the docs. That said, I am yet to figure what an admin can do that a normal user cannot. Do special controls appear in the riot ui for admins?

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            girish
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            #13

            OK, I found https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/4125 which is an open issue for implementing admin functions in Riot. I also found https://github.com/Awesome-Technologies/synapse-admin which can probably be run locally.

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            • girishG girish

              Hi all,
              Matrix Synapse and Riot are available for testing as unstable apps.

              Code: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/matrix-synapse-app
              App store link: https://cloudron.io/store/org.matrix.synapse.html

              Code: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/riot-web-app
              App store link: https://cloudron.io/store/im.riot.cloudronapp.html

              Matrix is integrated with Cloudron user management. A non-LDAP version can possibly be supported in a future release.

              IMPORTANT: You require Cloudron 5.1.4 for the apps to work. We are still rolling this out slowly but you will get it in the coming week. Cloudron version is on the footer of Cloudron dashboard on the bottom right.

              Understand

              If you are new to matrix, then this 2 min section is for you. Matrix is a decentralized messaging system. It's easy to explain things in terms of email addresses. Just like email, each user has a unique world wide id like @username:example.com. The "backend" that implements matrix protocol is called Synapse (in mail world, there is haraka, postfix, exim to name a few). The location where you install Synapse is called the home server. For example, matrix.example.com. As you can see, the location of your homeserver can be different from your ID. Just like how mail servers exchange emails with each other via SMTP, home servers exchange messages with each other using Matrix protocol.

              The "frontend" that we have packaged is Riot. There are numerous desktop and mobile apps to access your homeserver. You only need to install Riot if you want a web based frontend (like roundcube, rainloop). Otherwise, just use any mobile and desktop clients (check matrix.org).

              Installing

              Step 1

              Start with Synapse. If you install it at anything.example.com, the default setup is set to configure to generate IDs like @username:example.com. I think this is what most people want i.e memorable IDs under example.com. If you want a recommendation, install this app at matrix.example.com, only because Riot is pre-configured to use matrix subdomain as the homeserver location.

              If you want some different setup, see https://cloudron.io/documentation/apps/synapse/#step-1-select-matrix-ids

              Step 2

              Now, you must setup a so called delegation record. This is like MX record for email where foo@example.com can be translated by a DNS lookup to the mail server mailserver.example.com. In matrix, this is done by setting up a.well-known record which is served up the HTTP server (this is not a DNS record like in email!).

              To setup this record, please see https://cloudron.io/documentation/apps/synapse/#step-2-delegation

              If example.com is a site hosted on Cloudron (what I mean here is that there is an app on Cloudron serving example.com and not just the domain example.com is added), you can SSH into the server and add the record like this:

              mkdir -p /home/yellowtent/boxdata/well-known/example.com/matrix
              echo '{ "m.server": "matrix.example.com:443" }' > /home/yellowtent/boxdata/well-known/example.com/matrix/server
              

              Then, re-configure the app by going to the Location view and just click save without making any changes.

              You can then test if it works like this:

              $ curl https://example.com/.well-known/matrix/server
              { "m.server": "matrix-homeserver.example.com:443" }
              

              Step 3

              Install Riot. If you installed synapse at matrix.example.com, the client should be already able to connect. Just login with Cloudron username and password.

              Voice/Video Calls

              It's pre-configured to use Cloudron's built-in TURN server. 1-1 calls should work out of the box. For group calls, it uses an external jitsi server. We are working on a Jitsi package for Cloudron which you can set once it's ready.

              That's it!

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              will
              wrote on last edited by will
              #14

              @girish Getting an error on verifying:

              $ curl https://example.com/.well-known/matrix/server
              curl: (6) Could not resolve host: example.com (I used my own domain)

              I chowned the matrix folder and server file to be owned by yellowtent. I had to use sudo to get the mkdir command to work.
              I set permissions of 0600 on the server file.
              There is no app at example.com.
              Matrix is installed at matrix.example.com.
              Do I need to manually add a DNS entry for example.com?

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                @will You need to have an app installed at example.com. You can even set it to redirect to some other existing app i.e go to existing app -> Location -> Add redirection.

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                  #16

                  Hey! Works very very well. Runs smooth and does its job. But no LDAP would be a great feature for future 🙂

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                    msbt
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                    wrote on last edited by msbt
                    #17

                    @will you can just enable registration in homeserver.yaml and you're good to go 😉

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                      well you can enable it yes, but users who registered were not able to login (?). I guess this is because it only accepts login from LDAP?

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                        msbt
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                        worked fine before when I tested it, did you also set

                        password_config:
                          enabled: true
                          localdb_enabled: true
                        

                        and maybe restarted matrix?

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                        • girishG girish

                          @will You need to have an app installed at example.com. You can even set it to redirect to some other existing app i.e go to existing app -> Location -> Add redirection.

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                          will
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                          @girish added a redirect for matrix, and it works! Is this only needed if an app lives at rimmer.cloud or do I need it regardless?

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                            girish
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                            @will Only requirement is that it should be used by some app on Cloudron. You don't need to redirect it to matrix specifically. example.com can either be any app or it can redirect to any app. (At a technical level, all this means is that the Cloudron's reverse proxy is prepared & ready to answer requests for that domain).

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                            • girishG girish

                              @will Only requirement is that it should be used by some app on Cloudron. You don't need to redirect it to matrix specifically. example.com can either be any app or it can redirect to any app. (At a technical level, all this means is that the Cloudron's reverse proxy is prepared & ready to answer requests for that domain).

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                              will
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                              @girish Will this requirement be patched in a future release?

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                                girish
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                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @will there is no way around this requirement. the matrix protocol requires the apex domain to serve up those documents. is your concern that the domain example.com can be used to host a site somewhere else? If so, all you have to do is to move the .well-known setup to that server/new location.

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                                • girishG girish

                                  @will there is no way around this requirement. the matrix protocol requires the apex domain to serve up those documents. is your concern that the domain example.com can be used to host a site somewhere else? If so, all you have to do is to move the .well-known setup to that server/new location.

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                                  will
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  @girish My concern is having anything at example.com
                                  It would be cleaner to just have cloudron handle that for me. Small gripe, not a big deal at all.

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                                  • W will

                                    @girish My concern is having anything at example.com
                                    It would be cleaner to just have cloudron handle that for me. Small gripe, not a big deal at all.

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                                    girish
                                    Staff
                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    @will said in Matrix/Riot:

                                    It would be cleaner to just have cloudron handle that for me. Small gripe, not a big deal at all.

                                    Ah, Cloudron side limitation can definitely be fixed 🙂 I agree that having to ssh and put files manually in a cryptic location is kinda crude. This will be fixed soonish but we just wanted to get the apps out for testing sooner rather than later.

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                                    • girishG girish

                                      @will said in Matrix/Riot:

                                      It would be cleaner to just have cloudron handle that for me. Small gripe, not a big deal at all.

                                      Ah, Cloudron side limitation can definitely be fixed 🙂 I agree that having to ssh and put files manually in a cryptic location is kinda crude. This will be fixed soonish but we just wanted to get the apps out for testing sooner rather than later.

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                                      will
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                                      @girish Dont get me wrong, Im thankful! Its great. I'm just giving a little feedback on possible improvements. Sounds like you are on it already

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                                      • M msbt

                                        @yusf that is a good question, I moved the app to a different subdomain to test around, but that's probably not it. I'm guessing it is because of new keys and everything, haven't tried to re-use any of the existing ones.

                                        Oh yea, atm there is no default channel, you might want to remove the comment on those lines as well to get new users in there automatically 😉

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                                        yusf
                                        wrote on last edited by yusf
                                        #27

                                        @msbt said in Matrix/Riot:

                                        I'm guessing it is because of new keys and everything, haven't tried to re-use any of the existing ones.

                                        Might very well be, yes. I'm going to try and migrate the keys too. The migration is hard to dry run though 😩

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                                          msbt
                                          App Dev
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #28

                                          if you want to make sure this works, you could try with a test-instance, after that a clone and then the real thing 😉 good luck either way!

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                                            yusf
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                                            #29

                                            I'm transitioning my external reverse-proxy-and-well-known solution to the Cloudron solution. Is there any way I can configure Riot to have https://domain.tld as base_url while still having the Synapse server at https://matrix.domain.tld? This way I would be able keep Riot user sessions across migration.

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