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Android down the shitter? Pixel 10 or iPhone 17? Thoughts?

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  • L LoudLemur

    LineageOS is very good.
    https://lineageos.org/

    It is not a coincidence that nobody around the world is manufacturing a phone which doesn't double as a surveillance tool.

    X have introduced beta voice agents which come with telephone number provisioning, if you like, or you can use your SIP.

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    @LoudLemur LineageOS also doesn't have the Pixel 10 on the supported list. How long do they support their devices? Is it also 7 years like GrapheneOS?

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    • humptyH humpty

      @LoudLemur LineageOS also doesn't have the Pixel 10 on the supported list. How long do they support their devices? Is it also 7 years like GrapheneOS?

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      @humpty

      ### LineageOS Supported Devices:

      https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

      Pixels and Fairphones are your best bets for long term support on LineageOS.

      How Long Are Devices Typically Supported?

      LineageOS support is community-driven and not fixed like manufacturer support schedules. Key points:LineageOS generally maintains two active major versions at a time. Devices that are not updated (ported) to one of the two latest versions are dropped from active support.

      endoflife.date

      Current active branches (as of mid-2026) center around LineageOS 23.x (based on Android 16).
      Longevity depends heavily on volunteer maintainers. Popular devices (especially Google Pixels) often receive 4–8+ years of updates because they’re easier to maintain (closer to AOSP) and have strong community interest.
      Newer or less popular devices may get 2–5 years of solid support before being dropped if no one maintains the port.
      Even after “official” drops, older builds may still be available, and security updates can sometimes continue sporadically on the last supported branch.
      New devices are usually added once a stable port exists, often several months to over a year after the hardware launches (faster for Pixels).

      In short: Expect strong support for well-maintained flagships (especially Pixels), but always check the specific device’s wiki page for its current status.

      Newest Supported Devices by Major Manufacturer (“Line”)

      Here are some of the most recent devices supported by LineageOS per major brand (based on current wiki listings and recent support additions). These are among the newest as of mid-2026:Google PixelPixel 9 series (including Pixel 9, 9 Pro, 9 Pro XL, 9 Pro Fold, and 9a)Pixel 9 → tokay
      Pixel 9 Pro → caiman
      Pixel 9 Pro XL → komodo
      Pixel 9 Pro Fold → comet
      Pixel 9a → tegu

      OnePlusOnePlus 13 → dodge
      OnePlus 13R → giulia

      Xiaomi / POCO / RedmiRecent examples include POCO F6 series, Redmi Note 13 Pro 5G (garnet), and Xiaomi 13 series devices (fuxi, nuwa, etc.).Check the full Xiaomi section on the main devices page for the latest codenames.

      SamsungGalaxy S23 (dm1q)
      Galaxy Tab S6 Lite 2024 (various Wi-Fi/cellular variants)Galaxy S23 → Search “dm1q” on the wiki devices page.

      Sony XperiaXperia 1 VI (pdx245)
      Xperia 10 VII (pdx257) — one of the more recently addedXperia 1 VI → pdx245

      Motorolaedge 2024 (avatrn)
      edge 40 Pro / ThinkPhone variantsedge 2024 → Search “avatrn” on the wiki.

      FairphoneFairphone 5 (FP5) — strong long-term support focusFairphone 5 → FP5

      NothingPhone (2) (Pong)Phone (2) → Pong

      Other notable recent additions (niche or newer support):

      Retroid Pocket 6
      SHIFTphone 8
      Various 2024–2025 tablets, TV boxes, and handhelds

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      • humptyH humpty

        I've definitely made up my mind about going the pixel/grapheneos route. The only choice left is which phone tier to go with. I can get a cheap 10a and upgrade in a couple years or shell out for a 10 pro and stick with it until the support ends which is.. 6 years from now. The middle ground is a pixel 10, but I'm not digging being in the middle anymore. I'm spending $100-$150 per year on a phone no matter which option I go with. Funnily enough, the 10a is the latest release of them all so it has the longest support life of 6.8 years left, but I doubt anyone will keep using the "a" version that long. Not as the primary phone at least.

        @timconsidine The PWA workaround is a neat idea! Pixel 8 and newer have 7 years of support from release date. IIRC, you had a 6/6a?

        @robi I looked into dumb phones a while back and figured it wouldn't work for me. I'm not really a mobile person so the whole being-glued/distraction thing isn't a problem for me. It's the tracking that gets on my nerves.

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        @humpty I was pleasantly surprised that newer flip phones have all manner of niceties in their firmware including WiFi and Tethering (as in sharing the cell connection) built right in.

        It's almost smart but still dumb with only T9 entry.

        It was some cheapo deal at Walmart, TCL brand.

        Conscious tech

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          #18

          What mail app do you use for your Cloudron mailserver that has instant IMAP sync/push on Android?

          Edit: I need to expand on this request. Need app replacement for the following iOS apps:

          • Reminders
          • Notes (thinking Joplin will do)
          • Calendar (how do you sync Nextcloud calendar in Graphene?)
          • Photos (a private/no-cloud app; obviously the pixel/google ones won't do)
          • Findmy (is it possible to still connect/see my fam's iOS phones/gps?)
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            Pixel with Graphene OS, it's a no-brainer!

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            • nostrdevN nostrdev

              Pixel with Graphene OS, it's a no-brainer!

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              @nostrdev Yep! I got grapheneos running on a pixel 10. I'm moving from iOS so I'm looking for apps to replace what I had been using.

              One more request to add to the list, caller ID/spam filtering. In iOS, there's a feature to send unknown calls to voicemail. I activated my e-sim on the pixel this morning and I've already received 5 spam calls today (that went through!). I activated DND and allowed only starred contacts to ring, but there's got to be a better way.

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                Our recommendation is to use a data-only e-sim (eg silent.link) and ditch the phone number. If you need SMS for 2FA, just use a web provider such as crypton.sh

                fyi, for calendar you'll need a caldav bridge, davX is available on Zap Store

                On Zap Store you can also see what apps others are recommending / installing (and zap the devs directly)

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                • timconsidineT timconsidine

                  @humpty pixel4a

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                  @timconsidine old skool!

                  A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                    GOS journey update:

                    So many things that "just worked" in iOS requires a bridge, an extra app, or some hack to get to work.

                    some of the mess I ran into so far:

                    • google blocking my new gmail account and messing up with installing/setting up apps
                    • having to replace apps like findmy, notes, reminders, MAPS, visual voicemail (still not working), list is long..
                    • learning about all available non-google stores and their pros/cons
                    • GOS stock is UGLY so I had to find a new launcher but Nova Launcher is dead so more HW and settled on Lawnchair.
                    • pixel cam app required another service/app install from github so that you can click on the thumbnail of a newly taken image to view it. Otherwise, you'd have to switch apps.
                    • getting nextcloud calendar to sync with fossify calendar app required davx5 (one more app)
                      AngryTheOfficeGIF.gif

                    oh, and if an app is available in multiple stores, they ALL show the app as installed and can be updated. I'm lost where I got each app from. I believe the only true way to tell is to go into the app details section in the OS settings and see where the package came from. MORE MANUAL WORK. **** reinsert dwight raging ****

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                    • humptyH humpty

                      GOS journey update:

                      So many things that "just worked" in iOS requires a bridge, an extra app, or some hack to get to work.

                      some of the mess I ran into so far:

                      • google blocking my new gmail account and messing up with installing/setting up apps
                      • having to replace apps like findmy, notes, reminders, MAPS, visual voicemail (still not working), list is long..
                      • learning about all available non-google stores and their pros/cons
                      • GOS stock is UGLY so I had to find a new launcher but Nova Launcher is dead so more HW and settled on Lawnchair.
                      • pixel cam app required another service/app install from github so that you can click on the thumbnail of a newly taken image to view it. Otherwise, you'd have to switch apps.
                      • getting nextcloud calendar to sync with fossify calendar app required davx5 (one more app)
                        AngryTheOfficeGIF.gif

                      oh, and if an app is available in multiple stores, they ALL show the app as installed and can be updated. I'm lost where I got each app from. I believe the only true way to tell is to go into the app details section in the OS settings and see where the package came from. MORE MANUAL WORK. **** reinsert dwight raging ****

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                      @humpty I feel you. Never fully switched to grapheneos because of the same issues. Still playing with the idea but my Pixel goes unused most days.

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                      • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                        @humpty I feel you. Never fully switched to grapheneos because of the same issues. Still playing with the idea but my Pixel goes unused most days.

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                        @andreasdueren I'll be making a full setup guide when I'm actually done with mine to ease the pain for others and my future self. App wise, shout out to FluxTube. No login needed to save/boomark or follow any youtube channel/video. You can also download videos but I can't seem to find the file location. Must be a permission issue on my end. WTV.

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                          I have a lot of hw to do regarding app permissions, specifically Google app permissions. Knowing myself, I'll shoot myself in the foot and give Google more permission than needed, rendering the whole GOS setup moot 😂

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