Chat application thoughts?

[yusf]

Yes, speaking form experience and an admin POV Element usability for selfhosted homeservers is definitely not top-notch (but improving).

[murgero]

@girish said in Chat application thoughts?:

If you prefer open standard over maturity

Common misconception that open source / open standard does not equal maturity. OpenSSL is open standard on 90% of webservers in the world, and it's very secure and mature.

[mehdi]

@murgero nobody said these 2 qualities were incompatible. I think nobody here holds this position ^^
The point here was that Matrix was more open but less mature.
Not at all that it's impossible to be both open and mature, just that it wasn't the case in this specific instance.

[murgero]

@mehdi oh yeah that makes sense >.<

[marcusquinn]

I've just been taking another look at Nextcloud Talk, and I have to say that both the web application and the mobile app are excellent.

Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

I haven't tried the Matterbridge yet but the concept does look very good and might tick all your boxes for ease of onboarding and security:

• https://nextcloud.com/de/blog/bridging-chat-services-in-talk/
• https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/talk_matterbridge

Highly recommend revisiting and including this in your consideration.

[doodlemania2]

@marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish)

[marcusquinn]

@doodlemania2 Ooooooo - that is nice! Owe you many

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 said in Chat application thoughts?:

@marcusquinn on the Talk front, we're packaging Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, so you should be able to scale up nicely soon(ish)

I'm really looking forward to that!

[murgero]

@marcusquinn said in Chat application thoughts?:

Unlike Element and Mattermost, Talk has the ability to add multiple servers, which is essential for me in managing multiple companies and clients. Plus, it is already using the Nextcloud LDAP integration for Cloudron user management.

I assume you mean the ability to login to multiple servers given the context? I believe element supports this. Mattermost does not sadly.

[marcusquinn]

@murgero said in Chat application thoughts?:

I assume you mean the ability to login to multiple servers given the context? I believe element supports this. Mattermost does not sadly.

Yup, and stay logged in to get notifications from all servers and easily switch between the two.

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates It's up next as soon as I finish cleaning paperlessng and submitting (today hopefully). You can follow along on my https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe

[bubonicfred]

@subven You can sponser them on github for like 5-10 bucks a month for more push notifications (which still work without paying, but with a cap) much cheaper than the cloud option, especially if you only need the push notifications

[Mastadamus]

I've tried element/matrix and now rocket.chat. I find rocket.chat to be lightyears easier on administration/moderation then matrix. Admin rocket.chat is borderline enjoyable. Admin matrix was not. Additionally, the users i've talked to about ease of use (caveat only about 10) all preferred rocket hands down to element. Lastly, Rocket has the dankest GIFS.

[robi]

@mastadamus but no dark mode ;-/

[marcusquinn]

@robi everything has dark-mode if you use darkreader.org or webcatalog.app. I've not found an app yet it doesn't work as well or better than an apps own dark styling.

[robi]

@marcusquinn rocket chat, desktop app.

[marcusquinn]

@robi Didn't know there was one. I'm guessing it's an Electron wrapper like almost every other "app" nowadays? In which case, I already roll my own with WebCatalog for the extra features.

[Sam_uk]

Is anyone still enjoying Rocketchat?

Did you move to Element or Mattermost? How has that been?

Considering a Rocketchat > Mattermost move, but Matrix also a contender..

[girish]

We moved to element/matrix. Can't say we miss rocket.chat as such. Can be a bit confusing when getting started though.

[DanTheMan]

We used to be on RocketChat. But with al the changes in the app and restrictions on pop up notifications, we decided to change to Matrix 2 years ago.

Since the change to Matrix everyone is more satisfied with the usage off it. Last I opened up a poll for everyone with the question "should we go back to Rocketchat or should we stay with Matrix?" The outcome was 100% Matrix.