Cryptpad

marcusquinn

"CryptPad.fr is the official instance of the open-source CryptPad project. It is administered by XWiki SAS, the employee-owned French company which created and maintains the product."

"CryptPad is a private-by-design alternative to popular office tools and cloud services. All the content stored on CryptPad is encrypted before being sent, which means nobody can access your data unless you give them the keys (not even us)."

mehdi

I am a regular user of cryptpad, and I can confirm it works well ! It's basically an Etherpad, but with end2end encryption. Would love to see it on cloudron.

jdaviescoates

It'd be great to have cryptpad on Cloudron!

marcusquinn

Interesting, I don't remember seeing the Poll, Kanban & Whiteboard apps before. It is kinda cool.

robi

Yes, this is amazing timing, as I just had a request for something like this for a small team needing a PM tool.

@marcusquinn thanks for pointing out the new features, I didn't know they did that either.

@mehdi is this something easy to package being it's a node app?

@girish something quick?

mehdi

@robi Annoyingly, it seems Cryptpad is impossible to package for cloudron for the moment
Their app requires 2 different origins, or domains: one to serve the UI, and one the API.
Reading their doc, there does not seem to be a way to work-around this requirement.

Once upon a time, Cloudron had a "SSL" addon (or TLS ? I'm not 100% sure of the name), which allowed an app to directly have access to the certs. In that case, it would have been possible to serve the API directly on a different port that way. However, it would have been a very complicated setup, jumping through a lot of hoops, and using another nginx inside the package to serve https on this other port..

Honestly, I don't see a clean way, even taking into account possible changes to cloudron, to do this cleanly. I know supporting multiple domains is planned, but requiring another domain for this app, and only 2 domains, not more, seems very specific to this setup

girish

@mehdi I guess one hack is to package frontend and backend as separate apps (like matrix synapse/riot). Not ideal but something.

mehdi

@girish said in Cryptpad:

@mehdi I guess one hack is to package frontend and backend as separate apps (like matrix synapse/riot). Not ideal but something.

I'm not sure even that would work, as they are supposed to be run as a single server process ... I have no idea if it's only to make things easier, or if the "front-end" part actually uses stuff stored in the DB, etc. In any case, it would at least require extensive manual modifications of the config files to make the 2 apps work with each other

robi

Could we do it by adding a redirection sub-domain after it's installed and restarting the app to pick up the new sub-domain?

Adding that to the first run instructions of the app.

sysadmin

https://github.com/campbellmcgregor/cryptpad-cloudron

I'm not entirely sure who's work this is, but would anyone know if this solved any of the problems mentioned in this thread? If someone could ping the author, I would appreciate it! (I did not see a result for @campbellmcgregor here on the forums)

Or has any of the new current/proposed features of Cloudron made this any easier to get running on Cloudron?

@sysadmin As far as I can tell this encounters the same issues

jdaviescoates

@atrilahiji @sysadmin doesn't the "multi-domain apps" thing we've had since 6.1 help with this?

@girish said in Cloudron 6.1 released:

Multi-domain apps - Apps like EspoCRM, Surfer, Kutt already support this. WP Multi-site is coming soon (hopefully next week).

hollosch

This would be awsome !!!

LoudLemur

@marcusquinn Great suggestion!

CryptPad has a Docker.

https://github.com/xwiki-labs/cryptpad-docker

It looks slick and the end-to-end encryption is sweet. If you haven't seen it yet, try the demo. It supports whiteboard, rich text, kanban, etc.

https://cryptpad.fr/

There is an unrelated project, yn (yanknote) which provides lovely functionality in a markdown editor. Check out some of the features it supports in the demo:

https://github.com/purocean/yn
https://yank-note.vercel.app/

robi

@LoudLemur wow Yank Note is awesome, even with offline standalone versions for Mac/Lin/Win.

You should make its own entry for the App Wishlist

LoudLemur

@robi
Yeah, it is really cool, but he is quite funny as if you want "dark mode" and a couple of other features, he wants $6! It is amazing what it can do though, especially for integrating charts, diagrams etc into text.

robi

@LoudLemur oh that's too funny!

Yeah dark mode is a must. If he mentioned that up front, I think more people might take him up on it.

marcusquinn

@mehdi Is the "2 different origins" issue solved now with the latest updates @girish made that Minio is using for multiple domains?

mehdi

@marcusquinn You are correct, I think there is no more blocking problem.

LoudLemur

@robi Do we have a "dark mode" option for our Cloudrons?
I had a look and couldn't see one.

girish

This was actually quite easy to "install" but I am having a hard time following the setup specifically the domains part - https://docs.cryptpad.fr/en/admin_guide/installation.html#domains. It looks like the app requires a nginx of it's own - https://github.com/xwiki-labs/cryptpad/blob/main/docs/example.nginx.conf , I have to read more .

robi

@girish
Looking at the example nginx.conf -- the sandbox domain is not required, but an optional feature.

If you want to implement it anyway.. as a default it can be a sub2.sub1.domain.com so it fits in with one subdomain per CL App.
Ex.
main domain - cryptpad.domain.com
sandbox - secure.cryptpad.domain.com

To me, it does not look like it needs a separate nginx, as it's a node JS app, which you know how to connect to.

girish

I have this going at https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/cryptpad-app . This is published as unstable. Currently, the app is still "insecure" because it uses only one domain. I have to admit that even after reading their docs multiple times, I don't quite understand the point of these multiple domains.

girish

I created a category for this. Please post feedback at https://forum.cloudron.io/category/142/cryptpad

jdaviescoates

@girish said in Cryptpad:

Currently, the app is still "insecure" because it uses only one domain. I have to admit that even after reading their docs multiple times, I don't quite understand the point of these multiple domains.

Presumably you'll be able to use the recent multi-domain feature in Cloudron to address that?

Looking forward to giving this a try! (but obviously would like it to be secure given that's kinda the point)

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