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  • timconsidineT timconsidine

    @marcusquinn yes I paid for a subscription as it is worth supporting, and good value.
    At that point I sat back but would still be interested in a self-host version.

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    manngobaum
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    #11

    Would be great to have this as Cloudron App.

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      privsec
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      I use anonaddy, I love the service.

      Same concept.

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        #13

        I just came across Firefox Relay which is Mozilla's free (up to 5 email masks) version of this.

        https://relay.firefox.com/
        (looks like it's possible to self-host too https://github.com/mozilla/fx-private-relay )

        Premium currently only $0.99/mo

        Screenshot from 2022-08-24 15-53-02.png

        Shame you can't use your own domains though.

        Here's a nice comparison by SimpleLogin

        https://simplelogin.io/blog/vs-firefox-relay/

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

          I just came across Firefox Relay which is Mozilla's free (up to 5 email masks) version of this.

          https://relay.firefox.com/
          (looks like it's possible to self-host too https://github.com/mozilla/fx-private-relay )

          Premium currently only $0.99/mo

          Screenshot from 2022-08-24 15-53-02.png

          Shame you can't use your own domains though.

          Here's a nice comparison by SimpleLogin

          https://simplelogin.io/blog/vs-firefox-relay/

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          humptydumpty
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          @jdaviescoates said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

          Here's a nice comparison by SimpleLogin

          Dependency on third party services
          
          Firefox Relay relies on Amazon SES to receive and forward emails to your mailbox. 
          

          Might be a problem for some of us 🙂 Mozilla's intentions might be pure but you never know if a bug, hack, or a change in management might expose that info in the future which is why it's best to support projects that steer clear from using big tech' services. Besides, for privacy-oriented folks who self-host open-source software, it feels like being a hypocrite when we use big-tech and closed-source services/apps.

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          • humptydumptyH humptydumpty

            @jdaviescoates said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

            Here's a nice comparison by SimpleLogin

            Dependency on third party services
            
            Firefox Relay relies on Amazon SES to receive and forward emails to your mailbox. 
            

            Might be a problem for some of us 🙂 Mozilla's intentions might be pure but you never know if a bug, hack, or a change in management might expose that info in the future which is why it's best to support projects that steer clear from using big tech' services. Besides, for privacy-oriented folks who self-host open-source software, it feels like being a hypocrite when we use big-tech and closed-source services/apps.

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            @humptydumpty said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

            @jdaviescoates said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

            Here's a nice comparison by SimpleLogin

            Dependency on third party services
            
            Firefox Relay relies on Amazon SES to receive and forward emails to your mailbox. 
            

            Might be a problem for some of us 🙂 Mozilla's intentions might be pure but you never know if a bug, hack, or a change in management might expose that info in the future which is why it's best to support projects that steer clear from using big tech' services. Besides, for privacy-oriented folks who self-host open-source software, it feels like being a hypocrite when we use big-tech and closed-source services/apps.

            Yeah, I also spotted:

            Firefox Relay relies on Firefox Account for authentication.

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              This app would be fantastic. I already love and use the Apple thing, but something selfhosted and more versatile would be simply great.

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              • M MisterJD

                This app would be fantastic. I already love and use the Apple thing, but something selfhosted and more versatile would be simply great.

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                timconsidine
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                #17

                @MisterJD yes it's great.
                I user the hosted version with paid plan, so I add a custom domain and some wilcarding and I can create random on-the-fly addresses like merchant@sl.domain.tld for signups etc, which go to my hidden primary.
                I also use Trashmail but SimpleLogin is easier (and cheaper I seem to recall).

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                  This feature on Cloudron would be outstanding.

                  @girish How many aliases does Cloudron allow?

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                  • ? A Former User

                    This feature on Cloudron would be outstanding.

                    @girish How many aliases does Cloudron allow?

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                    @bushido there is no limit.

                    Conscious tech

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                    • robiR robi

                      @bushido there is no limit.

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                      @robi said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

                      @bushido there is no limit.

                      Thanks for your quick reply.

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                        The advantage of packaging Simple Login is that you can then use their browser extension to create randomised or keyworded aliases on the fly when signing up to newsletters etc.

                        It's similar to the way LanguageTool selfhosted works with their browser extension changing the API key to your self-hosted instance.

                        Set your self-hosted URL:

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                        And API Key:

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                        Magic. Your email aliases, that you can keep forever without having to keep a subscription running for them to stay working.

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                        Development https://brandlight.org
                        Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                          marcusquinn
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                          Just noticed, they have been acquired by Proton. I'd say that's reassuring for long-term support:

                          • https://proton.me/

                          I've looked at comparable apps in this area, and Simple Login does seem to be the best user experience.

                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                          Development https://brandlight.org
                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                            @girish @nebulon what would it cost to spoonsor this app for Cloudron? 🙂

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                              @girish @nebulon what would it cost to spoonsor this app for Cloudron? 🙂

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                              This app is sort of like an email server of it's own (and it's own dns setup), requires port 25 to be open etc. So, it's not easy to setup within Cloudron itself. I think for now it's best to run it outside in a separate VPS.

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                              • girishG girish

                                This app is sort of like an email server of it's own (and it's own dns setup), requires port 25 to be open etc. So, it's not easy to setup within Cloudron itself. I think for now it's best to run it outside in a separate VPS.

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                                @girish said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

                                This app is sort of like an email server of it's own (and it's own dns setup), requires port 25 to be open etc. So, it's not easy to setup within Cloudron itself. I think for now it's best to run it outside in a separate VPS.

                                Is it possible to rebuild the email server implementing these features?

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                                • P privsec

                                  @girish said in SimpleLogin (manage email aliases and dynamically reply as the alias!):

                                  This app is sort of like an email server of it's own (and it's own dns setup), requires port 25 to be open etc. So, it's not easy to setup within Cloudron itself. I think for now it's best to run it outside in a separate VPS.

                                  Is it possible to rebuild the email server implementing these features?

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                                  jayonrails
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                                  @privsec I am totally on that, too.

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                                    While there is no extension, one can use wildcard aliases - https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/#aliases . So, you can add blah* and then handout blah1231 or whatever you like.

                                    But I guess one would want to track with a label or equivalent of the created aliases and what they were used for. (That's what I think this app does). One can create some strategy like blah-service-one or something like that.

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                                      Also, I use mail+service@domain.com and this has worked many years now. See https://docs.cloudron.io/email/#subaddresses

                                      Is there any specific benefit to random addresses?

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                                      • girishG girish

                                        Also, I use mail+service@domain.com and this has worked many years now. See https://docs.cloudron.io/email/#subaddresses

                                        Is there any specific benefit to random addresses?

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                                        @girish I guess anyone can just strip the +service part from the address quite easily.

                                        I'm trying to think how one would make this work using the same domain but perhaps somehow having different MX records for each server that would look for if an email address is able to receive.

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                                        • girishG girish

                                          While there is no extension, one can use wildcard aliases - https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/#aliases . So, you can add blah* and then handout blah1231 or whatever you like.

                                          But I guess one would want to track with a label or equivalent of the created aliases and what they were used for. (That's what I think this app does). One can create some strategy like blah-service-one or something like that.

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                                          @girish I guess the wildcard solution only works for those receiving emails to a catchall mailbox. Wouldn't work for multiple user's separation of emails on the same domain.

                                          Perhaps there's a way to replicate the Simple Login hooks to work with Cloudron API? That way you get Cloudron mailbox and alias management, and Simple Logins' already developed browser extensions?

                                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                          Development https://brandlight.org
                                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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