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What's coming in Cloudron 6.3

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  • girishG girish

    There's an option now for admins to reset user's 2FA:

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    #18

    @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

    There's an option now for admins to reset user's 2FA:

    Perhaps change the button to say "Reset 2FA"

    Conscious tech

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      #19

      Just wanted to check in and see how 6.3 is coming along. 🙂

      Any ETA by chance? I'm super excited for these email improvements many of us have been requesting, particularly the DNSBL checks; greylisting; blocklist & whitelist auto-updating/DNSWL; email autoexpunge; and not forwarding spam to mailing lists. I know that's a lot, lol.

      I know many of them came from me, haha, so if you want to discuss any of them or want clarification on the requests, I'd be happy to help offer guidance or clarification.

      --
      Dustin Dauncey
      www.d19.ca

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      • d19dotcaD d19dotca

        Just wanted to check in and see how 6.3 is coming along. 🙂

        Any ETA by chance? I'm super excited for these email improvements many of us have been requesting, particularly the DNSBL checks; greylisting; blocklist & whitelist auto-updating/DNSWL; email autoexpunge; and not forwarding spam to mailing lists. I know that's a lot, lol.

        I know many of them came from me, haha, so if you want to discuss any of them or want clarification on the requests, I'd be happy to help offer guidance or clarification.

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        #20

        @d19dotca Thanks for checking 🙂 We haven't gotten to the email part yet. I am fixing up the notification issues. Once I do that, I want to look into the wireguard/VPN thing before I get into email. @nebulon is working on the login history and I think that is mostly done. He is also working on the volume mounting (i.e will automatically setup fstab entries).

        I don't have an ETA, will have a better idea next week. It's been a bit slow this week. I had my pfeizer vaccine, yay and now the sideeffects are gone, so I can go back to being productive 🙂

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        • girishG girish

          @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

          Make email setup inside apps optional. This will make it possible to configure specific apps to use some external service for mail delivery directly and the Cloudron package won't touch their mail settings.

          This one is implemented now in the Email view. The app package has to explicitly say whether it supports this feature or not using the optional flag to the sendmail addon.

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          #21

          I'm waiting like gold for this update, especially because Cloudron Mail is changing Mautic email configuration all time.

          The Amazon SES-API and queue configuration that I have within Mautic is misconfigured every time the application restarts, updates, recovers ... it's frustrating.

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            #22

            New browser login locations is implemented. This is only for dashboard logins and not for LDAP login (because many apps send mails by themselves).

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            • girishG girish

              New browser login locations is implemented. This is only for dashboard logins and not for LDAP login (because many apps send mails by themselves).

              6149021c-c18a-4c30-b76c-853d6eb2f9be-image.png

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              fbartels
              App Dev
              wrote on last edited by
              #23

              @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

              This is only for dashboard logins

              Since this already covers the dashboard, is it automatically available for apps using proxyauth as well?

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              • fbartelsF fbartels

                @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                This is only for dashboard logins

                Since this already covers the dashboard, is it automatically available for apps using proxyauth as well?

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                wrote on last edited by
                #24

                @fbartels we could do that for the auth proxy as well, but right now it is not. For other apps using LDAP this will be a bit harder since the ldap server currently does not see the upstream user-agent or IP.

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                • nebulonN nebulon

                  @fbartels we could do that for the auth proxy as well, but right now it is not. For other apps using LDAP this will be a bit harder since the ldap server currently does not see the upstream user-agent or IP.

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #25

                  @nebulon ah, I kind of thought that the proxyauth would use the very same mechanisms of the dashboard for authentication. But the dashboard being mainly driven by an api with token authentication that of course does not have to be true.

                  Totally understand that the same is not possible for apps that use ldap under the surface.

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                    #26

                    @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                    As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.

                    A big chunk of this landed today. Certificates also need to be migrated to the database, that should be done tomorrow. Essentially, from the next release, /home/yellowtent/boxdata will only contain mail server data and nothing else since everything has moved to the database. I will probably take this opportunity to separate box backups and mail backups. The box backup is going to be just the mysql dump and nothing else.

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                    • girishG girish

                      Before Cloudron 7, we need some more work to make the single server install secure. For this reason, we will spend some time first with the following:

                      • (Security) - Inform users about new browser/IP logins.
                      • (Security) - Better email monitoring/visibility for admins. @d19dotca raised many important posts and there's also existing ones. We have to read the posts in more detail and discuss internally before we give more details on what we plan to do here. (moved to next release)
                      • (Security) - Add a way to secure/limit access to specific apps and dashboard. For example, a set of apps are public and the rest are only accessible via wireguard/openvpn. This combined with mandatory 2FA for dashboard will make good security. (moved to next release)
                      • Reduce/remove some notifications. It seems a bit noisy.
                      • Fix email situation for Go apps like Statping, Commento that are having trouble sending mails via our email server.
                      • Make email setup inside apps optional. This will make it possible to configure specific apps to use some external service for mail delivery directly and the Cloudron package won't touch their mail settings.
                      • Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries
                      • Move TURN server to port 443. (moved to next release)
                      • As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.
                      • Vultr DNS
                      • Vultr Object Storage
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #27

                      @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                      As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.

                      This is now done! Now the boxdata only contains the mysqldump and email.

                      root@my:/home/yellowtent/boxdata# ls -l
                      total 900
                      -rw-r--r-- 1 yellowtent yellowtent 913492 May  7 06:00 box.mysqldump
                      drwxr-xr-x 9 yellowtent yellowtent   4096 May  4 07:34 mail
                      

                      I am looking into moving mail as a separate backup just like an app. That way in future releases we can restore mail data (mailboxes) independently of box code just like apps.

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                        #28

                        Pushed a change that makes the filenames of backups more readable. It's just app_<domain>_vVersion.

                        root@my:/var/backups/2021-05-09-000811-352# ls
                        app_test.cloudron.work_v1.1.3.tar.gz
                        
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                        • girishG girish

                          Before Cloudron 7, we need some more work to make the single server install secure. For this reason, we will spend some time first with the following:

                          • (Security) - Inform users about new browser/IP logins.
                          • (Security) - Better email monitoring/visibility for admins. @d19dotca raised many important posts and there's also existing ones. We have to read the posts in more detail and discuss internally before we give more details on what we plan to do here. (moved to next release)
                          • (Security) - Add a way to secure/limit access to specific apps and dashboard. For example, a set of apps are public and the rest are only accessible via wireguard/openvpn. This combined with mandatory 2FA for dashboard will make good security. (moved to next release)
                          • Reduce/remove some notifications. It seems a bit noisy.
                          • Fix email situation for Go apps like Statping, Commento that are having trouble sending mails via our email server.
                          • Make email setup inside apps optional. This will make it possible to configure specific apps to use some external service for mail delivery directly and the Cloudron package won't touch their mail settings.
                          • Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries
                          • Move TURN server to port 443. (moved to next release)
                          • As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.
                          • Vultr DNS
                          • Vultr Object Storage
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                          Staff
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #29

                          @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                          Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries

                          This is also mostly done. When adding a volume, you can choose the mount type

                          5358ad94-7368-45b1-9c45-20e13caf6b18-image.png

                          The current volumes are migrated as "no-op" mount type (as in, user managed the mount themselves). It shows the status of each volume as well:

                          d2923df5-34b3-4b8c-819d-d8556f4aa7e7-image.png

                          One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab. This allows us to create mounts that have correct dependency with the unbound DNS server for CIFS and NFS mounts.

                          A similar mounting change will be done for the Backups view as well.

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                          • girishG girish

                            @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                            Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries

                            This is also mostly done. When adding a volume, you can choose the mount type

                            5358ad94-7368-45b1-9c45-20e13caf6b18-image.png

                            The current volumes are migrated as "no-op" mount type (as in, user managed the mount themselves). It shows the status of each volume as well:

                            d2923df5-34b3-4b8c-819d-d8556f4aa7e7-image.png

                            One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab. This allows us to create mounts that have correct dependency with the unbound DNS server for CIFS and NFS mounts.

                            A similar mounting change will be done for the Backups view as well.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #30

                            @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                            One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab.

                            So what will happen to existing volumes that are already mounted using /etc/fstab?

                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                              @girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                              One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab.

                              So what will happen to existing volumes that are already mounted using /etc/fstab?

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                              Staff
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                              #31

                              @jdaviescoates I think instead of coming up with migration code, which will be a bit messy given the fstab format to correctly parse in all circumstances, I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

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                              • nebulonN nebulon

                                @jdaviescoates I think instead of coming up with migration code, which will be a bit messy given the fstab format to correctly parse in all circumstances, I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #32

                                @nebulon said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                                I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

                                Just to be clear, if the admin takes no action will existing volumes keep working?

                                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                  @nebulon said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

                                  I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

                                  Just to be clear, if the admin takes no action will existing volumes keep working?

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                                  nebulon
                                  Staff
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #33

                                  @jdaviescoates yes, the code does not touch existing mountpoints as such.

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                                    #34

                                    We now show the ubuntu version is the settings view.

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                                    Additionally, there is now an alert for Ubuntu 16 users.

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                                    • girishG girish

                                      We now show the ubuntu version is the settings view.

                                      b3c85870-60b2-4bd0-8fed-360611b80f2c-image.png

                                      Additionally, there is now an alert for Ubuntu 16 users.

                                      4b62c123-d423-4c1c-9221-cc198baa2080-image.png

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                                      #35

                                      @girish AWESOME! 🙂

                                      Ignorance is not an excuse anymore!
                                      https://AutomateKit.com

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                                        This looks wonderful! Loving this QoL changes.

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                                        • girishG girish

                                          We now show the ubuntu version is the settings view.

                                          b3c85870-60b2-4bd0-8fed-360611b80f2c-image.png

                                          Additionally, there is now an alert for Ubuntu 16 users.

                                          4b62c123-d423-4c1c-9221-cc198baa2080-image.png

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                                          @girish Please tell me 6.3 is coming down the pipe this week. 😛 I'm so eager for it! Desperately needing some of these email improvements, specifically the most urgent for me is the ability to not forward email on to mailing lists if it's been identified as spam. The limitations currently are impacting the trust of my mail server by other systems like Gmail which is rate limiting my emails now because so much spam is forwarded on to a couple of Gmail addresses via the mailing list functionality. At least they're not outright blocking me, but that'd be the next logical step that I want to avoid! 🙂

                                          --
                                          Dustin Dauncey
                                          www.d19.ca

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