SOLVED How do I safely upgrade/update?

[CryptoAnarchyT]

I'm used to just running sudo apt-get upgrade/update but the login message warns me against this.

30 updates can be applied immediately.
1 of these updates is a standard security update.
To see these additional updates run: apt list --upgradable

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			NOTE TO CLOUDRON ADMINS
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Please do not run apt upgrade manually as it will update packages that
Cloudron relies on and may break your installation. Ubuntu security updates
are automatically installed on this server every night.

Read more at https://docs.cloudron.io/security/#os-updates

For help and more information, visit https://forum.cloudron.io

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*** System restart required ***

Also if I uninstall cloudron does this remove rocket.chat and ghost?

[timconsidine]

@cryptoanarchyt As I understand it, cloudron takes care of all OS updates, hence the warning.

If you're wanting to upgrade apps, then again Cloudron will do this automatically. Except for custom-packaged apps.

What packages on the OS or what apps are you thinking you need or want to update ?

[nebulon]

@cryptoanarchyt we show this message since installing/updating packages via apt manually will eventually break your Cloudron installation as we have seen in the past.

Security updates will be applied automatically though, everything else is updated with Cloudron releases. The apps as such can be updated by Cloudron independently also, apt has no idea about those.

Further there is no real "uninstallation" of Cloudron since it will essentially take over the whole system and because re-installation of Ubuntu or simply booting a new virtual image is so convenient nowadays, we are not aiming to provide any clean uninstallation process.

[CryptoAnarchyT]

@timconsidine said in How do I safely upgrade/update?:

@cryptoanarchyt As I understand it, cloudron takes care of all OS updates, hence the warning.

If you're wanting to upgrade apps, then again Cloudron will do this automatically. Except for custom-packaged apps.

What packages on the OS or what apps are you thinking you need or want to update ?

Nothing in particular I am just a novice and regular updates are just ingrained in me when I login. (maybe from my arch days)

@nebulon said in How do I safely upgrade/update?:

@cryptoanarchyt we show this message since installing/updating packages via apt manually will eventually break your Cloudron installation as we have seen in the past.

Security updates will be applied automatically though, everything else is updated with Cloudron releases. The apps as such can be updated by Cloudron independently also, apt has no idea about those.

Further there is no real "uninstallation" of Cloudron since it will essentially take over the whole system and because re-installation of Ubuntu or simply booting a new virtual image is so convenient nowadays, we are not aiming to provide any clean uninstallation process.

This is unfortunate. I purchased a deal from SSD nodes for 3 years and was hoping to get away from monthly fees. I was using cloudron to test spin some things. I guess I'll have to start over and install them myself. Though that's for the best so that I can gather a fundamental understanding. Amazing product! Unfortunately just not for my (lack of a) budget at the moment.

Time to learn docker!

[timconsidine]

@cryptoanarchyt said in How do I safely upgrade/update?:

regular updates are just ingrained in me when I login.

so you can enjoy being free from this routine burden with Cloudron ! I hardly ever login into Cloudron VPS. I use a mounted drive or Forklift SSH file access if I need to reach a directory.

FYI my Cloudron instance is on SSDNODES 3 year deal. It's my stable 'production' environment, and the annual Cloudron fee (much more sensible than monthly) is an easily justified time-saver.
And I have another SSDNODES on similar for "playing" with non-cloudron docker apps.