@girish There were two topics, both related to the create user / email flow.
As @imc67 outlined on 1st Feb, it takes 7 steps in 3 parts to create an email address for a user. I hope we could all agree that that's too complicated.
I could perhaps have reported the data privacy flaw separately. However as a paid user I really hate it when companies I pay for a service make ME do their error reporting work.
@nebulon sure.
Creating email accounts for users on Cloudron is not intuitive, simple, or straightforward and involves far too much admin and processing hacking in order to make it work.
Just chipping in here @girish to point out this this is a good area for attention, because this process is a bit .. byzantine.
Also even if app access is restricted, if a user goes to Dropdown > Email, they can see all the hosted domains.
Ah well it took a while and a server reboot, but it's back.
Now I am re-saving the locations for each app so it knows where they're found.
Thank you for your help!
I deleted everything in /home/yellowtent/platformdata/nginx/applications/ and cloudron & nginx restart, so that's progress; but the site is still "refusing to connect"
@robi I'm afraid I'm still not clear on which to delete where.
in /home/yellowtent/platformdata/nginx/ there is one .conf file. In /home/yellowtent/platformdata/nginx/applications there are many, but only some have a human readable name as part of their filename.
One user suggests deleting all of them, but does not say if they had to recreate a lot of configs manually later.
Can you clarify?
There's a button on one of the system report screens which says reboot. I had deleted a bunch of redundant backup files from within an app and the free space wasn't recalculating, so I clicked the restart button.
And killed my server.
I can still ssh in so ran these, but now I'm totally stuck.
Any tips?
setup/start.sh
2022-09-18T14:01:06 ==> start: Cloudron Start
media:x:500:
2022-09-18T14:01:06 ==> start: Configuring docker
Synchronizing state of apparmor.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable apparmor
2022-09-18T14:01:08 ==> start: Ensuring directories
2022-09-18T14:01:08 ==> start: Configuring journald
2022-09-18T14:01:08 ==> start: Setting up unbound
2022-09-18T14:01:09 ==> start: Adding systemd services
Synchronizing state of unbound.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable unbound
Synchronizing state of cron.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable cron
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Configuring sudoers
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Configuring collectd
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Configuring sysctl
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Configuring logrotate
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Adding motd message for admins
2022-09-18T14:01:13 ==> start: Configuring nginx
Job for nginx.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
See "systemctl status nginx.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
root@vmi933755:/home/yellowtent/box#
I'm coming back to this because I'm still confused.
I have a remotely hosted database. I want to build an admin on top of that. That database must continue to be remotely hosted.
Can I build that admin using Directus on Cloudron?
If so, any pointers would be appreciated.
Thank you!
@ruihildt I find it .. hard to believe that the ROI wouldn't be worth it.
Ooh I want to do some napkin maths: how many apps could a f/t dev cloudronify per month?
Meantime Clearflask (mentioned above) seems actively more mature and in more production use than Fider, so would probably get my vote.
It really feels like a bounty / marketplace for docker-cloudronification** would open up this challenge to more people, and allow easier prioritisation.
Something like https://app.bountysource.com/
** Because I don't understand what I'm talking about
4 years old .. we really need a better way to get apps up on cloudron!
One solution might be to have a marketplace / bounty space.
1] Packages have a crowdfunded bounty behind them. Want it built? Chip in £50.
But this has a disincentive to speed, since why build for £5 when you can wait a few months for frustration to mount, and build for £500?
2] Have a month "pay per app" fee for apps which is Pay What You Want with a minimum of £1/m until a reasonable fee has been reached.
Some blend of that (see also opencollective.com) seems like it might make a viable solution.
So much yes to all of this. I keep thinking I'm doing something wrong because it MUST be there, right?! and then I read https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2630/lamp-stack-with-postgres and realise I don't understand enough, and give up. Which is sad.
So massive +100000 to this.
It'd be cool to have a "#hasdocker" tag for wishlist items.
If this does make it, please include the BigQuery connectors out of the box!
@girish correct - though they all have their nuances. Metabase is very user friendly and has more publishing options. Superset still thinks of itself primarily as an internal use only tool.
Preset.io are charging a small fortune for it.
You might like to consider a data stack, too (take that, plural.sh) and include airbyte & airflow.
Superset is fast, lightweight, intuitive, and loaded with options that make it easy for users of all skill sets to explore and visualize their data, from simple line charts to highly detailed geospatial charts.
https://superset.apache.org/
https://github.com/apache/superset
Agreed. I've just installed it and spend a good amount of time trying to connect to an external db before coming here to find out what the hell I'm doing wrong.
Nothing, it turns out. Which is nice for my ego, but is sad nonetheless.
Here you go, @girish @robi! Thank you for your thoughts on this!
Apr 22 17:43:59 [2022-04-22 16:43:59,412][PID:2931][INFO][metrics] method=GET path=/api/jobs/c2156c30-d706-4dbb-984d-32f9881bbac8 endpoint=job status=200 content_type=application/json content_length=187 duration=5.55 query_count=2 query_duration=4.52
Apr 22 17:44:00 [2022-04-22 16:44:00,088][PID:3015][INFO][metrics] method=GET path=/ endpoint=redash_index status=302 content_type=text/html; charset=utf-8 content_length=291 duration=1.05 query_count=0 query_duration=0.00
Apr 22 17:44:01 2022/04/22 16:44:01 [worker_healthcheck] Received TICK_60 event from supervisor
Apr 22 17:44:01 2022/04/22 16:44:01 [worker_healthcheck] No processes in state RUNNING found for process worker
Apr 22 17:44:01 RESULT 2
On a new install of Redash on Cloudron, I can successfully connect to my BigQuery account, but when it comes to fetching the schema it fails. 
I've tried increasing resources, reinstalling it - no joy.
Installed it on Digital Ocean and connected using the same credentials exactly, and there it loaded the schema.
So it's kinda weird and I have no idea why. But I'd love a solution 
Any tips?
@girish Thanks - good tip. I tried it but this time...
So.. who knows?!
Unable to chown:ENOENT: no such file or directory, chown '/mnt/backups/cloudron/snapshot/app_21c3ed5d-24b5-46a7-afd9-874c5e23e2c8.tar.gz'
One of my mistakes was not leaving the rclone mount command "open". I was expecting it to complete and return a prompt.
Now it's mounted and had a good crack at backing up, but ultimately came back with "copy exited with code 1 signal null"
I see there's a LAMP one, but .. is there a way to get another type of dev environment spun up?
Hmm I had another crack at this, but after I try to mount the drive from the rclone command line, it sits there for ages and does not complete.
I tried mounting and it seems to work (gets a green light) but then a backup errors.
"taskId": "2441",
"errorMessage": "Unable to chown:ENOENT: no such file or directory, chown '/mnt/backups/snapshot/app_21c3ed5d-24b5-46a7-afd9-874c5e23e2c8.tar.gz'",
"timedOut": false,
"backupId": null
All tips / ideas appreciated.
@nebulon Great answer, thank you
@nebulon are there criteria for apps which are / are not hard to maintain? I imagine there's an 80/20 thing going on where 20% of apps take 80% of the time?
Is it straightforward to assess the likely challenge of bringing an app into the cloudron offer? eg a weighted scorecard where "has email" adds 50 points, KLOC has a multiplier, etc?
If it were possible to triage apps in the packaging queue this way maybe it might help?
ah - it's been suggested but seems to not quite have turned into something fundable yet. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2798/sponsored-app-creation/2
@jdaviescoates well that seems very sensible!
@martinkbs a detailed how-to guide would be wonderful here, if you can help.
I've mounted using rclone by following this guide: https://rclone.org/drive/
But I'm not clear on then how to have cloudron see that as a volume. Specifically I'm not sure what to put in the New Volume form; or possibly I'm unclear how to properly mount a gdrive using rclone.
@martinkbs a detailed how-to guide would be wonderful here, if you can help.
I've mounted using rclone by following this guide: https://rclone.org/drive/
But I'm not clear on then how to have cloudron see that as a volume. Specifically I'm not sure what to put in the New Volume form; or possibly I'm unclear how to properly mount a gdrive using rclone.
I guess this is the place to post this idea, but could crowdfund people who can package apps?
Benefits:
@jdaviescoates is there a way to crowdfund people who can package stuff?
@nebulon sorted & found it in spam -- I guess because it was set to a subdomain
@murgero I don't think it does.
It would be great to get a build of this https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy so we can have an open Beeper.com
Great to see pop3 support enabled.
When I check the box ("Enable POP3 access") and Save, the status doesn't save: when I recheck it, it's unchecked.
I'd love to use the API but it's far from obvious if that's actually possible on Cloudron. @jenny_molloy's opening post suggests it's not.
https://meta.discourse.org/t/direct-delivery-incoming-email-for-self-hosted-sites/49487
@girish so it improves interoperability, eases adoption hassles, and makes other Cloudron apps more functional ... if it's just a few lines of code, is there a blocker to rollout in the next release?
More things than gmail use pop3 - eg the Discourse
https://meta.discourse.org/t/configuring-reply-via-email/42026
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2409/discourse-and-incoming-email/23?_=1633594660752
@girish Yep email is / can be hosted here too for this domain.
@girish thanks - here's hoping.
Would this be a quick-to-deploy solution?
Argh. Just gone through a lengthy process of getting Discourse set up - and it was a big part of choosing Cloudron - only to find this thread.
This is challenging, even though there is an answer.
Thank you all.
I guess.. I think this is "all a bit complicated" to learn in the time available. I may revisit later, but for now I think some feedback / an output is that it would be useful to:
I appreciate that these things are easier said than done, and may for all I know be entirely impossible / wrong thing to ask for.
Thanks, TIm!
When I try this I get:
$ cloudron install --image tcmbp132021/paperless-ng:derek210709
> No CloudronManifest.json found
Interesting. So with that in mind, is there / could there be a 'community' list of images somewhere?
..rather than download > build > push?
eg https://hub.docker.com/r/ctadeu/calendso and not https://github.com/calendso/docker
Seems they've decided not to support docker
@nebulon interesting.. I din't get that. I installed it twice to be sure.
@nebulon This is it - thank you!
Did I miss this in the documentation somewhere?!
I've setup matomo and want to track a new site, but even though I'm logged in my main cloudron user, I can not Add a Website in Settings -> Measurables.
The only site which it allows me to track is the one which is already set up, example.com.
Anyone see where I'm going wrong?
TIA.
If anyone else finds this, the problem was in cloudflare, which was proxying the record.
Turned it off, and bingo: works a treat.