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@scooke said in Focus on Business Apps:

All you did was complain.

That doesn't feel fair.

1. Suggested implementing a better public voting/roadmap system using Fider or similar tools to better track and prioritise app requests.

2. Analysed requests to try to help and analyse gaps.

3. Proposed exploring whether AI could help with app packaging, and experimented.

4. Offered direct support to the Cloudron team to discuss how "Cloudron's second decade can be even better — and crucially even more lucrative so as to support the mission"

5. Suggested implementing incentive structures to grow the contributor base.

6. Brought up the possibility of bounties to better reward developers.

And noted that "Cloudron is great. We love it. That's why we're here. And we care for it, too. That's why we speak up."

It's the owners prerogative to do with the company as they will. That's fine. I just find it a little frustrating to see the unfulfilled potential.

I'm sorry to offend. I'll back out of the forum.

Oh well. We can't say we didn't try.

Huh. Easypanel is a great contender. More maintenance and no email, and way more technical looking .. but definitely very interesting.

Great points, well made @d19dotca.

It seems that this need not be a zero-sum game. We're talking about increasing the fan-base, quality, and benefits of something which is already great.

1. Minimal trade-offs: With a solid, values-led strategy, and well considered incentive structures to reward merit and quality, there need be no trade-offs;

2. Fewer competing priorities: by growing the active contributor base it should be feasible to deliver many things in parallel, thereby making the "but what to prioritise?" debate less of a priority

Have you tried training them on example files?

This is one-shot in Claude. I imagine a trained AI might do better.

As an experiment, I just used Claude to see if I could package an app. However, I have no idea if it's correct or not. Could someone please let me know how close this is?

https://github.com/getfider/fider/tree/v0.22.0

Claude:

I'll help you package Fider for Cloudron. Let me create the necessary configuration files for packaging Fider v0.22.0.Cloudron Package Configuration for Fider.

To package this for Cloudron:

1. Create a new directory and place these files in it:

mkdir fider-cloudron
cd fider-cloudron
# Place the files from the artifact here // code below & https://claude.site/artifacts/c9929cf9-5697-47e6-8fc4-b5ac74777e1b

2. Download the Fider logo:

wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/getfider/fider/v0.22.0/public/images/logo-100x100.png -O logo.png

3. Build and package:

cloudron build
cloudron install

This configuration:

• Uses PostgreSQL for the database
• Configures SMTP for email sending
• Maintains persistent storage for uploads
• Handles automatic backups
• Provides health checking
• Sets up proper environment variables

https://claude.site/artifacts/c9929cf9-5697-47e6-8fc4-b5ac74777e1b

// CloudronManifest.json
{
  "id": "org.fider.cloudron",
  "title": "Fider",
  "author": "Fider Team",
  "description": "Open source feedback and feature request collector",
  "tagline": "Get feedback from your customers",
  "version": "0.22.0",
  "healthCheckPath": "/health",
  "httpPort": 3000,
  "addons": {
    "postgresql": {},
    "sendmail": {}
  },
  "manifestVersion": 2,
  "website": "https://fider.io",
  "contactEmail": "support@cloudron.io",
  "icon": "logo.png",
  "tags": ["feedback", "uservoice", "feature-requests"],
  "mediaLinks": [
    "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/getfider/fider/v0.22.0/docs/screenshots/1.png",
    "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/getfider/fider/v0.22.0/docs/screenshots/2.png"
  ],
  "minBoxVersion": "7.0.0",
  "forumUrl": "https://forum.cloudron.io/",
  "documentationUrl": "https://github.com/getfider/fider/tree/v0.22.0/docs",
  "postInstallMessage": "Fider has been successfully installed! Visit the app to complete initial setup."
}

// Dockerfile
FROM getfider/fider:0.22.0

# Add Cloudron-specific configurations
ENV NODE_ENV=production
ENV HOST_MODE=false
ENV SSL_CERT=false
ENV PORT=3000

# Cloudron will provide these through environment variables
ENV POSTGRES_URL=postgresql://${POSTGRESQL_USERNAME}:${POSTGRESQL_PASSWORD}@${POSTGRESQL_HOST}:${POSTGRESQL_PORT}/${POSTGRESQL_DATABASE}
ENV EMAIL_SMTP_HOST=${SMTP_SERVER}
ENV EMAIL_SMTP_PORT=${SMTP_PORT}
ENV EMAIL_SMTP_USERNAME=${SMTP_USERNAME}
ENV EMAIL_SMTP_PASSWORD=${SMTP_PASSWORD}

# Create data directory for uploads
RUN mkdir -p /app/data
VOLUME ["/app/data"]

# Setup healthcheck
HEALTHCHECK --interval=30s --timeout=30s --start-period=30s --retries=3 \
    CMD curl -f http://localhost:3000/health || exit 1

EXPOSE 3000

# start.sh
#!/bin/bash
set -e

# Wait for PostgreSQL to be ready
until nc -z -w5 ${POSTGRESQL_HOST} ${POSTGRESQL_PORT}; do
    echo "Waiting for PostgreSQL to be ready..."
    sleep 2
done

# Update database configuration
export JWT_SECRET=${CLOUDRON_APP_TOKEN}
export BASE_URL=${CLOUDRON_APP_ORIGIN}

# Start Fider
exec /app/fider

// README.md
# Fider for Cloudron

This package allows you to run Fider on Cloudron. Fider is an open source feedback and feature request collector.

## Installation

1. Install via the Cloudron App Store
2. Access your Fider instance at the configured domain
3. Complete the initial setup process

## Configuration

The app automatically configures:
- PostgreSQL database connection
- SMTP email settings
- Base URL and JWT settings

## Backup and Restore

Cloudron automatically handles backup and restore of:
- PostgreSQL database
- Uploaded files in /app/data

## Updates

Updates can be installed through the Cloudron App Store when new versions are available.

## Support

For issues related to:
- Fider: Visit https://github.com/getfider/fider/issues
- This Cloudron package: Post on Cloudron forum

@scooke Cloudron is great. We love it. That's why we're here.

And we care for it, too. That's why we speak up.

@girish - you and Johannes have our full support and appreciation. Do drop me (or many others here) a line if you'd like to talk more fluidly about how Cloudron's second decade can be even better — and crucially even more lucrative so as to support the mission.

Update: Related idea - might AI help with packaging? https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/12862/using-ai-to-build-a-package

@igaudette is right.

@timconsidine one gap is the public-voting / roadmap app Fider, or similar! #dogfood

Oh I forgot I made this back in June, the last time this bothered me.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y08UdmmCqgwQcZyIqQW0XcYgxZ1Dne9ix9QT7XogcEs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Relevant link: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7457/developer-perspective

Bounties have come up again and again. Surely it's at least worth a survey of members and developers to scope it out? Management doesn't need to action it, but if you share the survey results, someone might like to pick it up as a project.

How many Cloudron users are there?

Would be great to get something like this on Cloudron.

Oh. Okay.

Is there a user role where I can allow someone to install apps but not see my apps?

At this stage, it is not important if they can or cannot manage their own domains.

Basically, a walled admin.

Here's an example of an app with restricted access, but I'm surprised that Alex - who is an admin but not a SuperAdmin - can still see it.

Shame. Seems like a mistake to me. Even a little bit of a 'thank you' helps encourage growth and word of mouth. Eg it was @jdaviescoates who introduced me, and I've told a few people. I've noticed that cloudron keeps not adding the more useful apps I'm looking for and not allowing a bounty market for those apps .. so I'm now extra-encouraged to seek out alternatives. (I'm not sure I'll find anything as stable, but .. main point: every little helps.)

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• Title: DittoFeed on Cloudron - omni-channel customer engagement

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• Main Page: https://www.dittofeed.com/
• Git: https://github.com/dittofeed/dittofeed
• Licence: MIT license
• Docker: Yes
• Demo: n/a

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• Summary: The future of automation for email, SMS, mobile push, & more. Low-code customer segmentation, message templates, & journeys. Simple enough for any marketer. Flexible enough for any dev.

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• Notes: Useful for SME services.

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• Alternative to / Libhunt link: ??
• Screenshots:

@LoudLemur Updated

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Openpanel on Cloudron - An open-source alternative to Mixpanel

• Main Page: https://openpanel.dev/
• Git: https://github.com/Openpanel-dev/openpanel
• Licence: AGPL-3.0 license
• Docker: Yes
• Demo: nel.dev/share/overview/zef2XC

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• Summary: An open-source alternative to Mixpanel - The power of Mixpanel, the ease of Plausible and nothing from Google Analytics

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• Notes: Incumbents don't respect privacy and are expensive.

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• Alternative to / Libhunt link: ???
• Screenshots: