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From the notion-like thread, "Twake covers all of your organizational needs through a single platform".

Integrates in a single interface:

• Messaging
• Calendar
• Documents
• Tasks
• Smartphone apps

It was a startup with a closed-source product which was bought by Linagora (open source company providing dev for french gov, big companies, etc.).

I asked on their chat, and they plan to integrate it to open paas and keep a standalone version in parallel.

I'm pretty excited by this, it looks really good and the fact it's supported by an open source shop is even better.

Install guide (docker compose): https://github.com/TwakeApp/Twake/blob/master/documentation/INSTALL.md

"Code-server is VS Code running on a remote server, accessible through the browser."

https://github.com/codercom/code-server

Try it out

docker run -p 127.0.0.1:8443:8443 -v "${PWD}:/root/project" codercom/code-server code-server --allow-http --no-auth

Grocy is a web-based self-hosted groceries & household management solution for your home.

There are two dockers repo recommended by Grocy:

• https://github.com/grocy/grocy-docker
• https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-grocy

(while I don't feel the need for such an app, maybe some people would like it )

Language Tool is a Grammar, Style and Spell Checker. LanguageTool checks your writing in more than 20 languages.

See: https://languagetool.org/

You can run it from your server directly, instructions: https://dev.languagetool.org/http-server

And there are two docker implementations listed in their doc:

• https://github.com/Erikvl87/docker-languagetool
• https://github.com/silvio/docker-languagetool

"Leantime is an open source project management system for small teams and startups."

Website: leantime.io
Docker: https://github.com/Leantime/docker-leantime

A community fork has been gathering steam and is being actively developed:

https://github.com/subspacecommunity/subspace

Might be worth revisiting for potential packagers.

Grow your contact lists, use custom data, and send your campaigns with Keila.
Proudly Open Source, made in Germany and hosted in the EU

Website: https://www.keila.io/
Github: https://github.com/pentacent/keila

This purpose to be a Malchimp replacement, features:

• Compose hybrid text & HTML emails with Markdown.
• Compose plain-text emails with support for Liquid templating.
• Send emails with SMTP, Sendgrid, Mailgun, AWS SES.
• Create & design your own signup forms.
• Import existing subscribers from CSV.
• Protect your forms against spammers with hCaptcha.
• One-click unsubscriptions.
• Click & open tracking of campaigns.
• Automatic contact quality monitoring & bounce handling.
• Powerful segmentation and custom fields.
• Fully-featured API for sending campaigns and syncing contacts

WIP:

• A/B tests
• Upload images & file attachments.
• Create custom HTML templates with reusable blocks.
• Powerful email automations.

The value of Cloudron and why we pay a license is the appstore. So my naive person think that changing the platform code back to free software wouldn't affect negatively Cloudron business model.

It seems to me part of the reasoning to the license change was there wasn't much contribution to the platform anyway. I believe the same argument can be used to change it back to free software.

I'm sad not to be able to recommend Cloudron as the best open source paas since the license change.
It has in effect changed my relation to the project, from an invested advocate to a simple client.

Moving Cloudron back to free software would bring much needed positivity to 2020.

@atridad Uptime is only an aspect of it. Self hosted email system is resilient enough to allow for downtime up to a week.

I'm much more fearful of getting cut by an email provide: I have some protonmail email that was cut for an unknown reason, and let's not talk about Google horror stories where falling foul of any policy in any of their service will cut you off without appeal.

The key is to have control about the domain name, so you can reroute wherever you want at any point in time.

I'd like to suggest moving notifications to the main menu, in order to make it more accessible.

It may also be due to my light OCD which make me unable to live with unread notifications, I'm one of those inbox zero people.

Postmill is a link aggregator that you can install on your own server. Tired of letting companies mine your data and make profit from your posts? This is a ready-to-use solution to bootstrap your community, including all the features that you've come to expect.

Basically a board like reddit, but selfhosted.
Example(and main deployment): https://raddle.me/

The software is actively developed.

Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/postmill
Docker: https://gitlab.com/postmill/Postmill/-/wikis/docker

Warning, it's a bit long.

I have whiteout some apps (mostly wordpress), because privacy. It's a mix of personal, test and client apps.

https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

Alternative to Minio, specially made for selfhosting setup.

See: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/blog/2022-introducing-garage/
Code: https://git.deuxfleurs.fr/Deuxfleurs/garage

The meeting with Cloudron enthusisats we had on Workadventure and reading the following article by ERP Next developers made me remember about this thread.

When this discussion started back in July 2020, nebulon said "we will answer in more details", but since then, we haven't heard from him and girish directly on whether Cloudron could become fully open source again.

@nebulon @girish With the time passed and the discussions, is it a question you feel ready to answer?

@my1water Language Tool could be packaged for Cloudron.

@girish Regarding the Cloudron-support user, what would be the flow when asking for support? User is deactivated by default and enabled? Will it be password based or token?

Wireguard is also low on battery usage comparing to OpenVPN. (on Android at least)

@d19dotca It's a Contabo VPS with the following specs:

• 8 cores
• 30gb guaranteed (at this point it's 15 gb used on average)
• 800GB SSD

It has to be noted though that none of these websites have high traffic.
For the wordpress, most have the default allocated, and I update according to the use. Mostly when there is a memory intensive operation (liek resizing some huge images, I sometimes put it up to 1gb, just ot be sure), as it's usually in burst it never has been an issue.

@nebulon UpstreamUri is a bit nebulous. I suggest instead "External URL".

FYI, CPU usage is now stable and around 13%, more or less since Contabo did, and I quote their email, a "technical adjustement".

You can clearly see on that monthly CPU chart, how it evolved (granted it's early days, but still):

Not only this, but the dashboard now loads nearly instantly whereas beforehand, it could take up to 30 seconds.

Taking into account previous random issues with cheaper Contabo VPS in the past, I tend to think the issue was from Contabo from the start.

I believe this is snake oil.

@necrevistonnezr By using Google Analytics and Yandex Metricas, it's like they are actively looking for a backlash.

Totally deserved, IMHO.

Right now with cloudron, some apps supports LDAP, some don't.

If I need to do a cloudron setup comprising apps that are all LDAP, I of course use LDAP in order to get one login to rule them all.

But if I do a cloudron setup where an app is not LDAP, I prefer to have all app not using LDAP.
It's confusing to have to explain to people that for those X apps, you need to use the same login, but for those X apps, it's separate logins, even though it's all based on the same main domain.

That's why I prefer to have both LDAP and non LDAP version of an app available.

In the case of Firefly, I think LDAP is even less useful, because it's personal finance and probably less useful in an organization context. For example, if I want to give a Firefly instance for a friend, I don't need to have an additional LDAP user. I'd prefer to have the friend has its own login with the app.

Main drawback from me was the lack of an Android/iOS/PWA app.

Users now expects to have those for social networks.

@girish It would good to have a separated state for "not responding", which is an error state, and those stopped, which are by choice.

Titra is a straightforward an no-nonsense time tracking app.

I'm particularly interested in it, because it integrates with Wekan (found it on their wiki).

Website with demo https://titra.io/en/free-time-tracking-online/
Github (docker inside) https://github.com/kromitgmbh/titra/

Today, after the update to latest cloudron version, I had between 15-20 apps in a failed state.

Clicking the repair fixed every one of them. And I had a client send me a message about downtime. I didn't look more into it, having spent at least 30 minutes going into each not responding app settings individually, clicking repair and waiting for it to successfully get back online. (And I wish there was a button to repair all apps at once^^)

As much as I agree with not bandaidging issues, for my client and my reputation, I wished not responding apps would have been repaired automatically and errors to be reported.

Between repairing an app and getting to run or start an asynchronous debugging on the forum, I'll always click on the repair button first.

If repairing is detrimental to bug solving/reporting, I would suggest to put a place where not responding logs/errors can be retrieved in one click.

@atrilahiji You can use Ghost to do that, with the recent subscriber features.

I completely agree with having a default setting one way more than another. Especially because you can't define the visibility setting of non LDAP cloudron apps.

This is especially problematic when you have different kind of users who should never be aware of each others on the server, like clients. (and this is my usecase)

So having a configurable default is a very good idea.

I use the free extension and it's already very good, but I'd prefer it wouldn't send a server everything I write.

@robi It's simpler in a way, but adding a third party service is arguably adding complexity and an additional point of failure.

I think it is a good idea where there's no API for big provider like OVH.

@seeker
When I started using notes, I wanted to have them as text files in order to have them in a simple format and find the editor that would feel the most natural for my workflow.

I have used Joplin, Typora, Zettlr, FocusWriter. And I settled on Joplin for some time. I think I moved out because of sync issues and also because the interface was a bit too terse for my liking.

I then tried Obsidian.md (and its extension) which blew out all of these, but unfortunately is not free software.

This experience changed my priorities, and I moved to Trilium because as it's not text based, you can use advanced workflow (for example, create everyday a note with the current date, but the best is to check out the demo content from Trilium), have notes appearing in multiple place in a tree structure (which I discovered was important for me) and is super scriptable.

Check out this mad person turning Trilium notes into a CMS: https://wingysam.xyz/posts/tePIFQKUbTQ3

I also hoped there would be an android app, but it's not the case. The mobile version is really usable though, so eventually I'd like to help make it a PWA.

@girish Wouldn't it be better if this was the default for new installations, and then have the flag for disabling it?

The good news is that a new maintainer stepped up and the development has restarted.

As you probably have access to the IP of the server, you could simply display a link once the setup is complete in the CLI:

https://<IP>?<token>

So not even copy/paste needed for most.^^

Relevant comment from a HN discussion:

setup huginn about two years ago primarily just because it looked interesting. I then sat there for a while wondering what to do with it. I setup the basic things like a morning weather alert, and daily digest email and basically ended up with the same feeling. I decided to leave it for a couple weeks or so and just see if I came up with anything else more useful. That was definitely the right way for me to get going with Huginn. It's ultimately a bit of a multi tool, if you keep it around you're bound to reach for it although you may not need it the second you buy it.

Since having it setup I've used it to:

• Monitor covid travel restriction changes on the UK gov site and email me when updates are made.

• Scrape the site of a housing development where I wanted to view a house early as a potential purchase to know first when they opened viewings.

• Look for a price drop on some computer monitors on Amazon as the price was quite high when I found them.

• Daily discord report on the price of flights on a particular date when I and a group of friends were thinking about a holiday together.

• Alert when an exchange rate dropped or increased by a certain amount to help figure out when to exchange money for the same trip.

I find most of my uses include some kind of web scraping, although not always, and are usually things I want to run frequently and have run reliably. Most don't live more than a few months but it's a great tool to have knocking around as the effort to spin up an automation is much lower compared to writing a custom script each time.

I actually have n8n.io self-hosted as well because it has some nice pre-bundled integrations with various services like Spotify which huginn doesn't. That said, I've not really enjoyed using it, I find myself hitting F5 a lot because the UI breaks and won't recover and while it's more visual it's actually much harder to view the logs of a workflow. I tend to default to huginn unless n8n has a particular integration which will make the task faster to setup. Once setup though, I've not had any problems with it.

@timconsidine I think Playright and Webdriver are not integrated, so no parsing of JavaScript websites.

For the notifications, I think you need another third party service, Aprise, but I'm bot sure I understood this correctly.

I hoped to get email or RSS feed of change notification, but it doesn't seem to be built in.

I think "alternative to Confluence" is a tad misleading, there seems to be much more to it than a knowledge base.

@jdaviescoates Maybe I'm too naive, but I don't see what would be an argument not to have an app on the store?

If I'm not interested, then I don't upvote it. I see that section more as a gauge of the number of people interested in it.

@murgero I don't see why not? It's just another software to selfhost.

@robi This is probably the most useful. It's Chaos monkey testing and probably a scenario some user will face.

I am strongly opposed to removing tools and software using any protocols.

What is illegal in a country can be legal in another.

@humptydumpty said in Cloudron price is too high:

With that said, Cloudron's pricing model gives app resellers/web hosts/wtv they're called more bang for their buck when compared to someone using Cloudron simply to manage their own data. IIRC, the staff will be looking at changing the current pricing model in the future.

i think that's the main issue, personal self-hosting pricing vs web hosting pricing.
If you're in the first, then it's expensive, if you're in the second, then it's a no brainer.

Here's to easily check what time it will be on your timezone:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20210115T200000&p1=tz_et&p2=tz_cet

This is not related to Trilium, but the previous Ferdi maintainer (who was different from the owner), has restarted working in a fork, Ferdium.

There's no binary out, but I'm on the alpha and all is working as before for me, so I'm happy.

Link: https://github.com/ferdium/

@atridad This is optional. I'm using microG without push notifications.

So I still can install most apps from Play Store without Google involved, through Aurora Store.

Hi all

Would it be possible to have Firefly III without LDAP? Most app have LDAP integration as an option, and it would also make sense for some usecases here too.

Thanks for looking into it.

Is there a way to view which app is CPU intensive?

Since 2 days, CPU has gone from 40-50% to 80% on average. But right now, I have a hard time pinpointing the guilty apps.

@marcusquinn If you look at the Discourse guide (Discourse is just an opinionated modern and extensible forum platform) I posted, you'll see it actually mirrors quite a lot your working experience of communication.

It's definitely not a binary situation where X or Y is better.

I started this thread here with a specific angle (I suggest a chat space for app developers), and here's a summary of what I learned:

• Chat is not scalable after a hundred of users
• Forum is better for knowledge discovery and retention
• Chat can create a better community and create links stronger than in a forum (but it's not scalable when you reach thousands of users)
• Chat and forum can both provide value as long as policies are set and followed

So it seems to me the main blocker for me in this situation is that @girish and @nebulon don't have the time and resource to provide that experience for the community more than anything.

And I absolutely don't mean this as a negative critic.

@ebelinski said in What does it take to run and manage Cloudron in the longterm?:

Hi everyone,

I am a bit of a novice when it comes to devops. I am evaluating Cloudron right now, which I installed as a DigitalOcean droplet. I then installed Nextcloud and Collabora using the instructions. So far, everything has been amazingly smooth. I didn't even have to SSH into my droplet and I haven't run into any difficult setup issues. But I know that all VPSes at some point require maintenance. There will always be updates to apply and issues to fix. So my question is, if I keep using Cloudron for the months and years to come, what am I getting myself into? Is this whole system more or less a turnkey solution that updates itself and won't exhibit any problems, or will real devops skills be required? If I had off the management of a Cloudron VPS to someone else without devops experience, will they have difficulties?

Thank you.

Cloudron is incredibly stable. I have minimal devops skills and I've been running it for 1.5 years.
Most issues I had was because of my choice of a dirty cheap VPS and the support is really good.
If you keep external backups, even reinstalling/moving server is straightforward by following instructions.

The most difficult part is the install, so once it's running, as long as you're not out of resources, you can definitely explain how to use/install apps to someone without devops skills.

@murgero said in Cloudron 3.6 - new plans:

@girish Why not have them use LAMP, which is what this was made for? Leave the current Wordpress as is, and not make another one. No one is stopping them from using common sense and installing Wordpress in the COMPLETELY OPEN LAMP Stack app..

The promise of Cloudron is to have one-click install app. It's a better version of Plesk+Softaculous.

In this regard -and with Wordpress is the most popular app on Cloudron- having a Wordpress unmanaged app is good to have. Cloudron could attract a lot of users from these platforms and make life easier to a lot of webdevs/users.

in terms of Cloudron experience, I think it would be good to only have one "Wordpress" in the appstore, and have then the managed/unmanaged choice coming up at install time. (which would create actually 3 choices, managed LDAP / Managed non-LDAP/ Unmanaged)

As for SFTP support, I'm looking forward to it.

4 people upvoted Girish post on it.

For me it doesn't need to be in the footer, I prefer to have only the custom footer down there.

Version is only interesting for admins, the less clutter the better. (At the same time, I could totally live with it down there. )

I have 18 differents domains with 46 apps at present.

As of now, I don'(t extensively use tagging, because the tag selector is a multiselect, which means I have to unselect my previous selection to switch context, which is too much trouble for me to use.
I don't really use domain switchign because, selection with dropdown is a bit awkward to work with once you have a pretty long amount of items. (and it resets once you quit the page)

So I haven't been really happy with the way it works.

Thinking about it, a structure like the App Store, but configurable would probably be a pretty decent way organizing it.
The default homepage could show Favorite Apps (instead of "Popular"), Tags instead of "Categories" and with a "Search" and "All" filter, we could get all sorted. (pun intended^^)

What would also help would be to have the app meta fields (tags, label and maybe icon) show up before you click install/clone.
Also, when an app in installed/cloned, it is viewable on every user dashboard, regardless of groups. The access settings can only be done afterwards. So there's a, arguably small privacy issue here. Access should ideally be configurable before app is installed.

With those two changes, everything (permissions and meta) could be setup and correctly categorized when the app is installed.

I have no idea how many apps are typically installed on a cloudron, I can totally understand this structure wouldn't be worth it for users with a limited number of apps.
Though the permissions and meta fields setup at app install/clone time is relevant in any case.

Finally, there would be a case for merging groups and tags, so users relating to a group can access all apps tagged in this group. Maybe it's a bit too rigid and this is probably a wider conversation because it also encompasses users, emails etc.

@malvim Beleza!

We were talking with @rmdes about it, it would be the best to have a default updated list you can subscribe to instead of each Cloudron admin going over the same process on their own.

There's also Contabo VPS.

Don't ever ever ever take one of the cheapest listed: they are buggy and crash.

But the most powerful ones are doing a fine job. (I'm on the VPS L SSD and it's a smooth ride)

Great you're spending time on notifications and email!

I like the idea of a centralized place where you can configure which type of notifications you get(Platform update available/completed, app update available/completed, app error, backup error/completed, etc.), and where(email, dashboard, webhook, etc.).

A bit like Facebook, Twitter have.

Would be nice to have, to make sure we follow the rule of having multiple backups located in different places.

@nebulon Thanks for your reply.

After thinking about it, the graph chosen is better to view memory usage (which fluctuate much more than disk).

I would then suggest separating both information:

• keep the current graph for the app usage (the Y axis adapting to the app using the most memory)
• add a bar for total memory used, modelled on the total disk usage (could be a single colour for memory usage)
  

This would help maximize the amount of information you can visualize in one go and help detect spikes better.