Transfering apps to a new server SUX!

[BrutalBirdie]

@svtx
Yes, then it should be exactly this https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#import-app-backup here

[msbt]

@svtx there shouldn't be the need to download and upload, because backups aren't meant to be on the same machine/local. So you don't need that step. Just create a backup, download the backup config of that backup and import it on the new server. No need to download and upload anything else.

[svtx]

@BrutalBirdie said in Transfering apps to a new server SUX!:

@svtx
Yes, then it should be exactly this https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#import-app-backup here

And where does it say on that page how to do what I am asking?
No, really. Did you even read what I wrote or are you on complete AUTOMATIC mode?

[svtx]

@msbt said in Transfering apps to a new server SUX!:

@svtx there shouldn't be the need to download and upload, because backups aren't meant to be on the same machine/local. So you don't need that step. Just create a backup, download the backup config of that backup and import it on the new server. No need to download and upload anything else.

For the THIRD and LAST time:

I am NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT looking to import the god-effen-damed backup configuration!

[BrutalBirdie]

@svtx
What I understood.

1. You have two Cloudron Servers
2. You want to move an App (singular) From Server 1 to Server 2
3. ?
   Right? Just upvote to confirm.

[svtx]

If you must know: I have NINE cloudron servers, six of which belong to a different legal entity. There are strict regulations and contracts in place that don't allow them to connect to the same accounts/nodes, not even for a quick transfer. That is what I mean by: "ASSUME THAT IS A GIVEN". It really means that you can assume that there is NO ALTERNATIVE for me... There is absolutely ZERO possibility for us to do this the way Cloudron suggests.

The WHY:
We build apps on our own servers and then TRANSFER them to the client's server but we need a way to do so WITHOUT having them connect DIRECTLY. Again, contractual restrictions. (Ultimately a LEGAL ISSUE)

There SHOULD be a way to "fix" things manually anyway but Cloudron completely lacks this at this time.

So, I guess I will not be recommending Cloudron to my clients anymore because it's simply not feasible. I'm better off launching an applet on a cloud using a SINGLE line of code and call it a day. That's your loss, really.

There is doing it "your way" and then there is doing something completely and utterly INSANE. I guess nobody knows you're doing it wrong, if nobody knows what you're doing?

Thanks for trying to help, despite appearances I really do appreciate the effort but we clearly don't speak the same language here. I will not draw pictures next, I haven't got the time or nerve anymore. In plain old english: I'm better and quicker off without you (Cloudron as a whole, that is).

Thanks, this has been... enlightening.

[necrevistonnezr]

Your manners have been enlightening, too.

[jdaviescoates]

For the record, I absolutely love how easy it is to move an app (or even a whole Cloudron install with all it's apps) from one server. I've done it a few times now and every single time it has Just Worked because the design of how it works is actually very well thought out and designed IMHO

I don't think "just" being able to download what are by definition incremental backups (i.e. rsync backups) is really even a thing, is it?

[necrevistonnezr]

@jdaviescoates Well, in theory, even with rsync there should be a "snapshot" (as an incremental backup consists of recently changed files and hardlinks to unchanged files, IIRC) that one could download as a zip file. If that's feasible and how one would deal with file permissions, database backups, etc. is another matter (but should be scriptable).

[svtx]

@jdaviescoates good for you buddy.

[svtx]

@necrevistonnezr yeah well, I only have so much patience with people being unable to comprehend the meaning of "NOT AN OPTION". Shoot me, I guess...

[robi]

@svtx you seem to be confusing server backup configs with APP backup configs.

Two different things.

You're right that a server backup config doesn't suit your purpose.

An APP backup does. (As many have attempted to point it out to you.)

[necrevistonnezr]

@svtx life of a teenager