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@bazinga I've only just updated my main Nextcloud to OIDC (which I am actually pleased about as it's overall a better and more secure experience) so I'll presumably hit this too... which will be annoying as I use notes a lot too... I wonder does creating an app password within Nextcloud as per the guide for Calendars etc help? see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/10067/guide-external-nextcloud-with-openid-social-login-calendar-caldav-synchronization
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
@bazinga I've only just updated my main Nextcloud to OIDC (which I am actually pleased about as it's overall a better and more secure experience) so I'll presumably hit this too... which will be annoying as I use notes a lot too... I wonder does creating an app password within Nextcloud as per the guide for Calendars etc help? see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/10067/guide-external-nextcloud-with-openid-social-login-calendar-caldav-synchronization
More secure? Well, that is if Cloudron's IdP is secure and everything is done to specification standards. Authentication isn't a walk in the park, that's why there is literally a tiny number of products out there that can be relied upon.
I've always used app passwords from Nextcloud for any Android apps (Notes, DavX, Nextcloud client). With OIDC my apps no longer could use those app passwords. I've checked the link you've referenced and it seems it's all about creating and using those passwords that Nextcloud manages.
I just tried to create a test app password in NextCloud - doesn't work, nothing happens like it did before. Clicking on that "Create new app password" button does nothing.
I'm very frustrated with this situation. I use Notes a lot. I was already dreading the experience of dealing with this Nextcloud auth integration change as I have to guide few family members half way across the globe on how to make all of the changes to NextCloud, DavX, Calendars, etc... And now this issue. Sigh.
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@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
@bazinga I've only just updated my main Nextcloud to OIDC (which I am actually pleased about as it's overall a better and more secure experience) so I'll presumably hit this too... which will be annoying as I use notes a lot too... I wonder does creating an app password within Nextcloud as per the guide for Calendars etc help? see https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/10067/guide-external-nextcloud-with-openid-social-login-calendar-caldav-synchronization
More secure? Well, that is if Cloudron's IdP is secure and everything is done to specification standards. Authentication isn't a walk in the park, that's why there is literally a tiny number of products out there that can be relied upon.
I've always used app passwords from Nextcloud for any Android apps (Notes, DavX, Nextcloud client). With OIDC my apps no longer could use those app passwords. I've checked the link you've referenced and it seems it's all about creating and using those passwords that Nextcloud manages.
I just tried to create a test app password in NextCloud - doesn't work, nothing happens like it did before. Clicking on that "Create new app password" button does nothing.
I'm very frustrated with this situation. I use Notes a lot. I was already dreading the experience of dealing with this Nextcloud auth integration change as I have to guide few family members half way across the globe on how to make all of the changes to NextCloud, DavX, Calendars, etc... And now this issue. Sigh.
@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
I just tried to create a test app password in NextCloud - doesn't work, nothing happens like it did before. Clicking on that "Create new app password" button does nothing.
You mean here at the bottom of
/settings/user/security, right?
If so, I'm not sure what's up for you, but I can confirm it's working for me...
...BUT I didn't actually need to create any app password for Notes to start syncing again (I did have to do that for DAV5x to get my Calendar and Contacts syncing again), all I had to do was to open up my Nextcloud Android app and login again to that and then the Notes app was syncing again.
Clearly something is not working properly with your Nextcloud. Can you share any logs?
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@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
I just tried to create a test app password in NextCloud - doesn't work, nothing happens like it did before. Clicking on that "Create new app password" button does nothing.
You mean here at the bottom of
/settings/user/security, right?If so, I'm not sure what's up for you, but I can confirm it's working for me...
...BUT I didn't actually need to create any app password for Notes to start syncing again (I did have to do that for DAV5x to get my Calendar and Contacts syncing again), all I had to do was to open up my Nextcloud Android app and login again to that and then the Notes app was syncing again.
Clearly something is not working properly with your Nextcloud. Can you share any logs?
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
...BUT I didn't actually need to create any app password for Notes to start syncing again (I did have to do that for DAV5x to get my Calendar and Contacts syncing again), all I had to do was to open up my Nextcloud Android app and login again to that and then the Notes app was syncing again.
I didn't say I had to do it now. I was doing it before. Then at some point the integration between NextCloud client and Notes app was added, so I probably switched to that. DavX, I think, was still using the app password.
Now - yes, log in with NextCloud android app, then Notes picks up the account automatically. Same with DavX. In both DavX and Notes I had to remove accounts first.
Notes now does initial sync, as I described in my first post above, but then no changes made in the Notes app (existing note, new note) get sync'd up to the cloud. There is a way no see Note's error report when that happens - shows a Java exception, but with hardly any details.
Unless NextCloud - Notes integration is completely broken (and I couldn't find any report of that online), this issue is related to OIDC change and whatever else in the NextCloud for Cloudron package.
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After app passwords somehow started working, I've tried to again - delete all accounts on Android, create app password in NC and use my phone to connect via a QR code. NC client app connected. Then I've added an account in Notes app as before. No luck - still not able to sync any changes from a device to the cloud.
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After app passwords somehow started working, I've tried to again - delete all accounts on Android, create app password in NC and use my phone to connect via a QR code. NC client app connected. Then I've added an account in Notes app as before. No luck - still not able to sync any changes from a device to the cloud.
@bazinga I realised that mine only synced down once too, then it stopped working and wouldn't sync back up.
But I just cleared cache and deleted all data from both Nextcloud and Notes.
And then uninstalled and reinstalled Nextcloud from Fdroid.
And then logged into Nextcloud again with a new app pw
And then selected the account in Notes
And now sync is working for me again in both directions!
But I'm still on one version behind you....
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I've re-installed Notes and NextCloud from both GPlay and FDroid multiple times already. Not sure if there is anything I'm missing, but I guess I'll know once you go through with the NC update.
@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
Not sure if there is anything I'm missing
Perhaps actually clearing the cache and deleting data helped?
I just had to do that with Talk to get that working again too. Didn't do a reinstall of either Notes nor Talk, just did the clear data and delete all data thing and now both working again (at least for now!)
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@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
Not sure if there is anything I'm missing
Perhaps actually clearing the cache and deleting data helped?
I just had to do that with Talk to get that working again too. Didn't do a reinstall of either Notes nor Talk, just did the clear data and delete all data thing and now both working again (at least for now!)
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
Perhaps actually clearing the cache and deleting data helped?
Cleared data and cache the first time I re-installed the apps. Doing it again now to see if anything with the server restart changed for the apps too.
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Cleared caches, uninstalled everything and re-installed. Notes still fails to sync up to the cloud.
@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
Cleared caches, uninstalled everything and re-installed. Notes still fails to sync up to the cloud.
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That is very odd.
I've done the migration for a customer instance with 300 Users and for multiple weeks now we had to such reports.
What mobile OS are you using? There was a recent issue in the forum about app passwords not being generated and working because of Safari in iOS.
Sorry that it is so broken for you, that should not be. -
I've re-installed Notes and NextCloud from both GPlay and FDroid multiple times already. Not sure if there is anything I'm missing, but I guess I'll know once you go through with the NC update.
@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
but I guess I'll know once you go through with the NC update.
My update went smoothly and my Notes and Talk are still working.
I'm guessing you logged into the Nextcloud app with an app password too?
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@bazinga said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
but I guess I'll know once you go through with the NC update.
My update went smoothly and my Notes and Talk are still working.
I'm guessing you logged into the Nextcloud app with an app password too?
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
My update went smoothly and my Notes and Talk are still working.
I spoke too soon.
Somewhat bizarrely, whilst the first quick tests I did this morning both worked fine, now they've both stopped working again.
And as far as I'm aware literally nothing has changed in the interim.
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@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
My update went smoothly and my Notes and Talk are still working.
I spoke too soon.
Somewhat bizarrely, whilst the first quick tests I did this morning both worked fine, now they've both stopped working again.
And as far as I'm aware literally nothing has changed in the interim.
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
Somewhat bizarrely, whilst the first quick tests I did this morning both worked fine, now they've both stopped working again.
For me - it works for the initial sync, after that doesn't work - eg. Notes on my phone gets all 150+ notes entries/files, seems to be good. Go and edit one or create a new one and that starts throwing errors and never works.
Re-installing apps, clearing caches/storage/etc. doesn't help.
Using app passwords or using OIDC for NextCloud client (main app) auth doesn't make a difference.
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That is very odd.
I've done the migration for a customer instance with 300 Users and for multiple weeks now we had to such reports.
What mobile OS are you using? There was a recent issue in the forum about app passwords not being generated and working because of Safari in iOS.
Sorry that it is so broken for you, that should not be.@BrutalBirdie said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
What mobile OS are you using?
I've got GrapheneOS on a Pixel Pro. I've messed around with various per-app security settings that GrapheneOS provides, but none of that helped.
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@nebulon said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
sounds very much like a notes or nextcloud bug
Worked just fine before OIDC upgrade with Cloudron.
Considering I couldn't find any reports of similar nature unrelated to Cloudron's hosting of NextCloud the chances of it being just NC-Notes issue are even lower. Not impossible, of course, but I'd expect people report on issues like this. The issues reported over the past 6-12 months are all related to tokens or similar.
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It's also not just Notes, it's Talk too afaict
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It's also not just Notes, it's Talk too afaict
@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Notes no longer synchronizes:
It's also not just Notes, it's Talk too afaict
I don't use Talk often, and have no way to test it, unfortunately. But I doubt this issue has nothing to do with whatever happened during OIDC integration and NC updates.
@nebulon As far as reporting upstream. I presume you're talking about you guys doing that as you have all the knowledge about how NC is integrated, what is done to it, etc? And I presume your staff should be testing and looking into issues like this?
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Given that we just configure OpenID in nextcloud, my thought was that maybe notes (possibly talk) may hit issues in the nextcloud OpenID backend. This is not related to Cloudron mostly though as if Nextcloud login over OpenID works, the rest of auth is handled within nextcloud (or rather those nextcloud apps) itself.
Since some have reported that initial sync with notes works, but eventually fails, maybe some token expiration is hit. Though it is unclear why nextcloud would suddenly not accept its own internal app passwords...
