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Openclaw - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot)

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  • timconsidineT
    timconsidineT
    timconsidine
    App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
    wrote on last edited by timconsidine
    #17

    Yay ! 🍾
    Later than hoped, but done now.

    I have packaged Moltbot for Cloudron (was Clawdbot) including its browser GUI.
    Repo : git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-moltbot
    Built public docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-moltbot:latest
    Available on ccai.appx.uk (or your own CCAI-P but re-import the master catalogue)

    Frankly the GUI is not fully developed, and still requires manual configuration in the (ugly but functional) CLI.
    But hopefully with the fast pace of development, it will become 100%.

    I'm putting this out with an ALPHA status, because I am still testing it out, so don't really know what works and what doesn't. Equally I know there is a lot of interest in it, so rushed it out as ALPHA.
    Maybe the 'bleeding edge' / 'edge of seats' brigade can help me out 😄

    TBH AgentZero (https://forum.cloudron.io/post/119353) holds more interest for me, so not currently sure if I will use Moltbot in practice, but as it's been getting lots of profile, it's fun to explore and compare and discover its capabilities.

    Many of you wanting this on Cloudron are probably 2 steps ahead of me in terms of understanding and configuring Moltbot for real use.
    So feedback and your guidance is welcome.


    Side-note on Packaging : I lost time packaging this because I played with Claude Code (CLI and VS-Code plugin), then Opencode (also CLI and VS-Code).
    TBH there was learning time on those, and neither cut it fully for me.
    Opencode is good, but didn't perform as well as my standard dev setup.
    That's probably an issue of models used, but none performed as well as well as my TRAE dev assistant on "auto" model selection.
    I will remove Claude Code from my setup as the only attraction was using it with Ollama models, but I can do that with Opencode or even TRAE.

    Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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    • robiR
      robiR
      robi
      wrote on last edited by
      #18

      The latest evolution to stay is OpenClaw as it retains its roots and is copyright free.

      More here + backstory:
      https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

      The gateway really is the cool interface on almost any chat app.

      Frequency tech & energy mastery

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      • robiR robi

        The latest evolution to stay is OpenClaw as it retains its roots and is copyright free.

        More here + backstory:
        https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

        The gateway really is the cool interface on almost any chat app.

        timconsidineT
        timconsidineT
        timconsidine
        App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
        wrote on last edited by timconsidine
        #19

        @robi openclaw is much better name
        I just hope the code is much better and finished

        E.g.
        “We support iMessage”

        • “cool”

        “Ah, but it’s a WIP”

        • “aarrgghh”

        I’m excited about Moltbot/OpenClaw but I reckon it needs another couple months to be complete / stable

        Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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        • timconsidineT timconsidine

          @robi openclaw is much better name
          I just hope the code is much better and finished

          E.g.
          “We support iMessage”

          • “cool”

          “Ah, but it’s a WIP”

          • “aarrgghh”

          I’m excited about Moltbot/OpenClaw but I reckon it needs another couple months to be complete / stable

          robiR
          robiR
          robi
          wrote on last edited by
          #20

          @timconsidine I hear you. The experience is so different if you choose an option that isn't as polished yet.

          I would suggest Telegram or Discord to start as those work well. Haven't tried others.

          Frequency tech & energy mastery

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          • robiR robi

            @timconsidine I hear you. The experience is so different if you choose an option that isn't as polished yet.

            I would suggest Telegram or Discord to start as those work well. Haven't tried others.

            timconsidineT
            timconsidineT
            timconsidine
            App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
            wrote on last edited by
            #21

            @robi I have Telegram working. Need to configure some / tasks and skills to make it productive.

            Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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            • marcusquinnM
              marcusquinnM
              marcusquinn
              CA Maintainer Super Fan
              wrote on last edited by
              #22

              Another day, another rename

              • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

              Apparently they're sticking with this now.

              Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
              Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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              • marcusquinnM
                marcusquinnM
                marcusquinn
                CA Maintainer Super Fan
                wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                #23

                The creator's been pretty active with bots to build bots:

                • https://github.com/steipete

                6e01d515-74d9-449b-8c6a-4195198996e2-image.png

                Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                  Another day, another rename

                  • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

                  Apparently they're sticking with this now.

                  timconsidineT
                  timconsidineT
                  timconsidine
                  App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #24

                  @marcusquinn started packaging it ....

                  Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                  • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                    The creator's been pretty active with bots to build bots:

                    • https://github.com/steipete

                    6e01d515-74d9-449b-8c6a-4195198996e2-image.png

                    timconsidineT
                    timconsidineT
                    timconsidine
                    App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
                    wrote on last edited by timconsidine
                    #25

                    @marcusquinn

                    Interesting : now I see that many of his creations are listed as plugins/extensions within moltbot/openclaw


                    "Ship beats perfect"

                    Ha ! Don't I know it (from packaging moltbot).
                    Far be it from me to challenge this, but I think he should revise his approach.
                    "Shipped and properly working, not incomplete, beats perfect" might be better.

                    Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      Another day, another rename

                      • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

                      Apparently they're sticking with this now.

                      jdaviescoatesJ
                      jdaviescoatesJ
                      jdaviescoates
                      Super Fan
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #26

                      @marcusquinn said in Openclawd - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot):

                      Another day, another rename

                      The title of this thread has openclawd instead of openclaw

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                        @marcusquinn said in Openclawd - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot):

                        Another day, another rename

                        The title of this thread has openclawd instead of openclaw

                        marcusquinnM
                        marcusquinnM
                        marcusquinn
                        CA Maintainer Super Fan
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #27

                        @jdaviescoates sorted

                        Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                        Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                        • robiR
                          robiR
                          robi
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #28

                          This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
                          https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

                          image.png

                          Frequency tech & energy mastery

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                          • robiR robi

                            This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
                            https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

                            image.png

                            marcusquinnM
                            marcusquinnM
                            marcusquinn
                            CA Maintainer Super Fan
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #29

                            @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

                            Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                            Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                              @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

                              robiR
                              robiR
                              robi
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #30

                              @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

                              Hence openrouter's auto route helps

                              As does this config optimization
                              OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

                              Frequency tech & energy mastery

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                              • robiR robi

                                @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

                                Hence openrouter's auto route helps

                                As does this config optimization
                                OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

                                timconsidineT
                                timconsidineT
                                timconsidine
                                App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #31

                                @robi thanks for that link
                                still working on my openclaw package, so that will be useful (incorporated if I can)

                                Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                                  C
                                  crazybrad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #32

                                  As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                  Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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                                  • C crazybrad

                                    As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                    Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

                                    timconsidineT
                                    timconsidineT
                                    timconsidine
                                    App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
                                    wrote on last edited by timconsidine
                                    #33

                                    @crazybrad I have very similar thoughts & cautions.

                                    • packaging it because it looks cool and fun to learn what the fuss is about
                                    • I would NEVER deploy this on a primary working computer like desktop/laptop
                                    • deploying it in a container seems like it could be viable

                                    I have a feeling that Agent Zero is much better than Openclaw, but I can't really say that until I have test Openclaw fairly. So continuing on the package "just in case" it can help me or others.

                                    Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                                    • C crazybrad

                                      As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                      Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

                                      robiR
                                      robiR
                                      robi
                                      wrote on last edited by robi
                                      #34

                                      @crazybrad no fear, the enchanting experience is key.

                                      Frequency tech & energy mastery

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                                        crazybrad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #35

                                        @timconsidine I think "containerizing" is a great and much safer approach. I would just not use real accounts: email, social, etc. The fact that you are doing this might encourage me to create some test accounts and try it:) @robi Excellent point! "Mirror, mirror on the wall... whose the smartest one of all:)"

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                                          DualOSWinWiz
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #36

                                          I was thinking few roles for clawdbot / openclaw / agentzero as a bookeeper who with giving access to irs taxcode and postgress database ask him to be my accountant. Still thinking about it but i have to free few weekends for this. Any thoughts / suggestions?

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