Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.
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@mastadamus said in Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.:
and maybe forwarding a port or two would be golden
Don't forget that more and more residential internet connections don't get a public ip any more (keyword cgnat). Plus forwarding ports can still be quite a challenge for the technically challenged. If you want to make it easy for everyone you would need some sort of proxying service that would provide a public endpoint for these users.
@mastadamus said in Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.:
My home hosted cloudron actually gets 'attacked' multiple times daily
That is most likely the usual background chatter that will happen once you expose a service to the public internet. Could as well be mitigated if you don't expose directly, but only through a third party.
@fbartels most of it is, some of it isn't unfortunately. Especially on my WordPress site. I have a WAF running and I get quite a few legit complex style and brute force attacks blocked every month. Also I get attempted tls heartbleed attacks fairly routinely thats stopped by my ips.
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I have mused myself many times over that idea (not so bound to social media, but personal data) since my personal Cloudron runs on a Intel Nuc at home, which is also just a small box really.
Besides the mentioned with arm support, technically Cloudron already works in such home environments.While I would love it, same as @girish, to me it is a bit out of reach since, while it works for me, due to missing app polish and of course the hardware aspect, I mostly have to acknowledge that it is geeky.
@nebulon I had an idea. What if cloudron partnered with local "resellers" like cable companies. You sign up for the service , a tech/installer comes to house, sets up the "box" starts the service forwards the ports. Done.
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@nebulon I had an idea. What if cloudron partnered with local "resellers" like cable companies. You sign up for the service , a tech/installer comes to house, sets up the "box" starts the service forwards the ports. Done.
@mastadamus I imagine that would result in a support nightmare for them considering not everyone who has internet is technically literate, unfortunately.
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@mastadamus I imagine that would result in a support nightmare for them considering not everyone who has internet is technically literate, unfortunately.
@atrilahiji prob so.
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I have some potential significant sponsorship interest in this if we could assemble enough people to build.
Also worth a look for inspiration: https://www.odoo.com/app/iot
What do you all recommend as fanless boxes to base this sort of thing?
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I have some potential significant sponsorship interest in this if we could assemble enough people to build.
Also worth a look for inspiration: https://www.odoo.com/app/iot
What do you all recommend as fanless boxes to base this sort of thing?
@marcusquinn there's a ton out there. I bet it could be cheaper if you had a contract for bulk and care less about looks.
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Recent project doing something similar. I am wondering however how they really want to make this effortless for everybody. Especially since this centers on nextcloud.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nextbox/nextbox-your-own-private-cloud-for-home-and-office
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@marcusquinn there's a ton out there. I bet it could be cheaper if you had a contract for bulk and care less about looks.
@mastadamus Nice, of course I should have searched first but wondered what people here used. I suppose anything could be co-branded with some laser etching.
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Recent project doing something similar. I am wondering however how they really want to make this effortless for everybody. Especially since this centers on nextcloud.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nextbox/nextbox-your-own-private-cloud-for-home-and-office
@fbartels Interesting, although to go mass market they could do with some work on their branding and presentation.
Roku completely nails branding and presentation, and Sky TV / Now TV are the kings of branding and packaging in the UK.
I feel as a Consumer / Pro appliance it would need a little more curation on the apps where the best for each area were pre-configured, and there would need to be preferred partners setup for certain links (Domain/DNS/Backups) but I could see this being packaged as a box that people put alongside their main TV in homes and in their IT cupboard in offices.
@Mastadamus Maybe we can coin a new phrase: "cloud-cutters"
@girish @nebulon I do think the term "Private Cloud" should be used as the primary explanatory catch-phrase across your branding and presentation, and make "Self-Hosting" secondary because that is a little more intimidating.
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@mastadamus said in Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.:
and maybe forwarding a port or two would be golden
Don't forget that more and more residential internet connections don't get a public ip any more (keyword cgnat). Plus forwarding ports can still be quite a challenge for the technically challenged. If you want to make it easy for everyone you would need some sort of proxying service that would provide a public endpoint for these users.
@mastadamus said in Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.:
My home hosted cloudron actually gets 'attacked' multiple times daily
That is most likely the usual background chatter that will happen once you expose a service to the public internet. Could as well be mitigated if you don't expose directly, but only through a third party.
@fbartels said in Develop and sell a "roku" like cloudron box.:
keyword cgnat
Carrier-grade NAT - Wikipedia
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@fbartels Interesting, although to go mass market they could do with some work on their branding and presentation.
Roku completely nails branding and presentation, and Sky TV / Now TV are the kings of branding and packaging in the UK.
I feel as a Consumer / Pro appliance it would need a little more curation on the apps where the best for each area were pre-configured, and there would need to be preferred partners setup for certain links (Domain/DNS/Backups) but I could see this being packaged as a box that people put alongside their main TV in homes and in their IT cupboard in offices.
@Mastadamus Maybe we can coin a new phrase: "cloud-cutters"
@girish @nebulon I do think the term "Private Cloud" should be used as the primary explanatory catch-phrase across your branding and presentation, and make "Self-Hosting" secondary because that is a little more intimidating.
@marcusquinn I agree emphasizing "Private Cloud" is a very good idea, everybody can get a feel for what it is, even if they have no idea of how.
I mean, the general public doesn't even know what hosting is.^^"
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So this is something that I have been contemplating for about a month now.
My thoughts are this, you get a Nuc that supports Vtx/vtd and then you install proxmox on the device. Then set up opnsense as one vm, and cloudron as another.
Then do all the heavy lifting for the user ( could be a templates image installed to make this process much faster) and make it so they just have to plug and play and use the service.
An additional income stream could be a subscription based support level
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So this is something that I have been contemplating for about a month now.
My thoughts are this, you get a Nuc that supports Vtx/vtd and then you install proxmox on the device. Then set up opnsense as one vm, and cloudron as another.
Then do all the heavy lifting for the user ( could be a templates image installed to make this process much faster) and make it so they just have to plug and play and use the service.
An additional income stream could be a subscription based support level
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Here's a similar idea that has the hardware part mostly figured out:
