Backup Target: Tardigrade.io (Storj.io) - a secure, decentralised storage-network

[girish]

@tadeas I guess you are referring to https://github.com/storj/storj/wiki/S3-Gateway ? You can already use an arbitrary S3 gateway btw in the Backups view dropdown.

Once it reaches production, we can add it to the Backup providers dropdown as a proper option.

[privsec]

This is an awesome thing. Can we work on getting this as a deployable app?

Would love to spin up some additional cloudron boxes with this to run on it to support this technology.

[micmc]

For me that is already straitened at WASABI.

Wasabi
1TB storage with
Unmetered downloads
$5.99/mth
UNbeatable.

Tardigrade io
1TB storage
1TB download
$55.00 / mth quite less than S3 but then far far from wasabi.

Cheers!
Andy

[privsec]

@micmc said in Backup Target: Tardigrade.io (Storj.io) - a secure, decentralised storage-network:

For me that is already straitened at WASABI.

Wasabi
1TB storage with
Unmetered downloads
$5.99/mth
UNbeatable.

Tardigrade io
1TB storage
1TB download
$55.00 / mth quite less than S3 but then far far from wasabi.

Cheers!
Andy

I was mostly referring to running Nodes for Storj

[scooke]

The only hiccup could be the VPS provider not liking any crypto-related software running on their servers. Some kind of alert about this would need to be included the Cloudron docs for it.

[arshsahzad]

@girish Tardigrade.io is now rebranded Storj DCS, now it fully reaches to the production environment and also all three regions are fully compatible with S3 Gateway.

Here is a brief email from Storj DCS

We’re thrilled to launch Storj DCS (Decentralized Cloud Storage) 

First off, thanks so much for being a Tardigrade customer. We have some big news. We’ve officially launched our new and improved decentralized cloud object storage service, Storj DCS (formerly Tardigrade). We’ve been listening to our community and customers and understand everyone wants a decentralized cloud storage experience that is unified and easy to understand. 

Because of your feedback, we’re now rolling our Tardigrade product back under the Storj brand, and it will be called Storj DCS. It’s still the same great service, just under an easier-to-understand name with new and improved features. 

We’re also updating our brand mark (logo) to fit the new look and feel of Storj. We’ve also updated our website, and now people who visit Tardigrade.io will be redirected to corresponding pages on Storj.io.

An updated brandmark & website

We’re updating our brand mark (logo) to fit the new look and feel of Storj. We’ve also updated our website, and now people who visit Tardigrade.io will be redirected to corresponding pages on Storj.io.

S3-compatible gateway is now live

Our S3-compatible gateway is now live, as are several new architectural improvements. These updates represent a huge leap forward in privacy, security, resiliency, S3 compatibility, usability,  performance, economics, and supported use cases.

With the new multi-tenant gateway, developers can simply change a few lines of code in their existing Amazon S3-backed applications to start storing data on Storj DCS immediately. The update also includes new features like multi-part upload to improve overall performance when storing large objects on Storj DCS. 

Much easier on the wallet!

We’ve saved the best news for last —we’re rolling out new pricing! We’re reducing storage fees from $10 per TB per month to $4.00, reducing our egress bandwidth fee from $45 per TB to $7.00, and getting rid of the per object fees. As long as your data meets the new standards, you won’t see any other costs. Check out our updated Terms of Service and billing documentation for the details.

I hope soon Storj DCS will be integrated into Cloudron Backups

[girish]

https://docs.storj.io/api-reference/s3-gateway is their storage gateway. It looks like this has to be run alongside the application and not provided by their service.

[marcusquinn]

Revisiting this, it could be quite a bit cheaper than Wasabi if using rsync for backups or less frequent tarball backups (eg weekly):

• https://www.storj.io/pricing

Separate from this, I'm thinking about starting a home node to get into the details of this.

[girish]

@marcusquinn I guess apart from pricing, one also needs to know how durable and reliable the storage and service is. Do we have any info on this?

[scooke]

@girish Well, the idea is that the data is stored literally all over the world on the disks of whoever is running the software. There is supposed to be redundancy also. I recall when I first looked into this some times back (years), a line stood out to me that basically said that due to how spread out your data is, you won't ever lose "everything", such as a when a backup disk or storage site goes down (OVH's fire would be a recent example). I was running a 1TB disk that very quickly filled up (with other people's data mind you - encrypted). But I realized I couldn't keep my disk online 24/7, so I slowly decreased the amount of space I was allowing my disk to make available, and about halfway to zero, some algorithm decided my disk wasn't reliable enough and all the data disappeared/was moved off. Not bad. I guess. Though tech I think has moved on a lot from when I first used it, the basic idea is still the same.

But as I mentioned elsewhere, plenty of VPS providers prohibit crypto activities, and this is crypto - not mining, but it could run afoul of someone's TOS. Be careful!

[marcusquinn]

For anyone wanting to run a node, I get the impression that you are best building a dedicated rig than has a CPU optimal for mining Monero or RandomX coins, GPUs that are optimised for mining Ethereum, and then HDs for earning Storj.

My research suggests that if you do all of this, the ROI is about 100% / yr.

[marcusquinn]

Any plans to make this Cloudron-easy?

• https://docs.storj.io/api-reference/s3-gateway

Otherwise, it looks like their integration partner Filebase puts a markup on that:

• https://filebase.com