What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4)
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As a heads up, this release will get published as Cloudron 7.0 and not 6.4 . It's because we stop supporting Ubuntu 16 from this major version and also the format of backups have changed.
@girish Take it easy no pressue or rush. We understnad things take time. Love all of your work. Keep up the Good Work please!
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This will mostly have email related improvements. There's also a few last mail related migrations to do for multi-host in Cloudron 8 (everything else is migrated, yay).
- Better email monitoring/visibility for admins. @d19dotca raised many important posts and there's also existing ones. We have to read the posts in more detail and discuss internally before we give more details on what we plan to do here.
- Add easier way to setup mailbox redirects
- Add way to setup sieve rules for mailboxes from the dashboard itself. One way we are thinking of doing this is to simply expose mail data via the file manager. Just like how app data is also exposed via file manager. Just to make it easier to use, we will probably add "download"/"restore" action in the mailbox view to add on top of this.
- Backup mail data separately (instead of as part of box code). This will allow restoring and backing up mail stuff separately just like it's an app.
- Add a way to run cronjobs (per app?)
- Operator role for specific app. This new role will allow assigning a user as "operator" for some apps and that user can then view logs, restart app, increase memory limit etc but without being a cloudron admin as such.
- Make it easy to install non-appstore apps.
EDIT: Since we stop supporting Ubuntu 16 from this release, we decided to call this Cloudron 7.0 and not 6.4.
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Great job guys! Super long changelog, happy to see many of the changes included there!
I'm going to upgrade likely tomorrow night.PS - Girish, the migration went well from you manually adding in the self-signed certs the other day. I really appreciate the awesome support and help with that! You guys rock!
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@murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.
For some reason it is still required for various things. e.g. Discourse reply-by-email features (as mad as that sounds), and I think perhaps sucking messages into Gmail too (which can help people to get started using Cloudron mail stuff before they are ready to fully transition away from where they've currently got everything)
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@murgero mostly for compatibility with apps and some services that we cannot control. Admittedly, I didn't want to enable it but it was trivial to enable it in dovecot.
It's also disabled by default for all mailboxes. We also only support POP3S (no plain POP3).
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@murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.
TBH all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols. Email cannot be fixed or made secure (think encryption or shit like HTML emails)
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@murgero said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
Why are we allowing POP3? It's an old, outdated, and insecure mail protocol.
TBH all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols. Email cannot be fixed or made secure (think encryption or shit like HTML emails)
@necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols
^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.
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@necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols
^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.
@fbartels said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
@necrevistonnezr said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
all mail protocols are outdated and insecure if compared so secure messenger protocols
^this email was not designed as a secret medium. Unlike protocols such as matrix.
Exactly.
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Just curious @girish @nebulon ... I see 7.0.2 out but I still get the notice of this being pre-release and not production ready... is that still accurate or is that an outdated message?
This update is a pre-release and not considered stable yet. Please update at your own risk.--
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Thanks for the fantastic release!!
Brilliant new features: per event log, per cron, app manager role, email data file manager, and everything else...well done!!
Always visible grey squared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!
Also there was a talk on a mailbox manager role at some point (someone who could administrate the email side of thing), is this part of this release in the end or is there more work plan for this or for other role customisation in the next release?
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Thanks for the fantastic release!!
Brilliant new features: per event log, per cron, app manager role, email data file manager, and everything else...well done!!
Always visible grey squared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!
Also there was a talk on a mailbox manager role at some point (someone who could administrate the email side of thing), is this part of this release in the end or is there more work plan for this or for other role customisation in the next release?
@avatar1024 said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
Always visible grey scared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!
which one do you mean? We have reworked some code in the apps grid to support the app operator role, so maybe you hit some regression, as the gear icon I am thinking of, should not be always visible.
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@avatar1024 said in What's coming in 7.0 (was 6.4):
Always visible grey scared gear icon is a bit less pretty than just the gear (as it used to be), no? Very minor point of course!
which one do you mean? We have reworked some code in the apps grid to support the app operator role, so maybe you hit some regression, as the gear icon I am thinking of, should not be always visible.
@nebulon Apologies, I meant that on mouse hover an app, there is now a grey square button (with white gear) always visible, which then turns white (with blue gear) when actually hovering over it. Before it used to be that you see only the gear (without a square) when hovering over an app and you'd see the square when hovering over the gear.
Haha I've realised this is only a dark theme issue. I've just tried in another browser with a light theme and the issue is not here. So yes, probably a slight regression on the dark theme.
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@nebulon Apologies, I meant that on mouse hover an app, there is now a grey square button (with white gear) always visible, which then turns white (with blue gear) when actually hovering over it. Before it used to be that you see only the gear (without a square) when hovering over an app and you'd see the square when hovering over the gear.
Haha I've realised this is only a dark theme issue. I've just tried in another browser with a light theme and the issue is not here. So yes, probably a slight regression on the dark theme.
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@d19dotca since we roll out slowly, it will show as 'unstable' for the others. at this point, 7.0 is still available only to new installations and those who check for an update manually. We will start a roll out only next week. In general, it is truly stable (as in, what we have staged might have small regressions) only once I make a forum announcement here and blog post that Cloudron 7 is available.
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@d19dotca since we roll out slowly, it will show as 'unstable' for the others. at this point, 7.0 is still available only to new installations and those who check for an update manually. We will start a roll out only next week. In general, it is truly stable (as in, what we have staged might have small regressions) only once I make a forum announcement here and blog post that Cloudron 7 is available.
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@girish just curious but I might be missing something. How was custom app installation made easier?
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@girish my Cloudron instance was auto-upgraded to 7.0.3 last night. I have a lot of apps in Not Responding status, with a message on each :
Restarting - Waiting for Cloudron to initializeI have rebooted the server using the System Info link.
Not possible to cancel and retry tasks.
Is there are any advice about getting these started ?
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@girish my Cloudron instance was auto-upgraded to 7.0.3 last night. I have a lot of apps in Not Responding status, with a message on each :
Restarting - Waiting for Cloudron to initializeI have rebooted the server using the System Info link.
Not possible to cancel and retry tasks.
Is there are any advice about getting these started ?
@girish panic over
They have all started now
Seemed to take a looong time after server reboot
Logs are difficult to interpret but seems like redis was struggling to get loaded.
All seems ok for now
Look forward to getting up to speed with 7.0 changes
