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Openclaw - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot)

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  • timconsidineT Offline
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    timconsidine
    App Dev
    wrote on last edited by
    #15

    Hoping to release Moltbot (was Clawdbot) for Cloudron later today.

    But off to hospital briefly (hopefully) so bear with me.

    Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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      jdaviescoates
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      #16

      Hope your hospital visit went smoothly @timconsidine

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        timconsidine
        App Dev
        wrote on last edited by timconsidine
        #17

        Yay ! 🍾
        Later than hoped, but done now.

        I have packaged Moltbot for Cloudron (was Clawdbot) including its browser GUI.
        Repo : git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-moltbot
        Built public docker image : tcmbp132021/cloudron-moltbot:latest
        Available on ccai.appx.uk (or your own CCAI-P but re-import the master catalogue)

        Frankly the GUI is not fully developed, and still requires manual configuration in the (ugly but functional) CLI.
        But hopefully with the fast pace of development, it will become 100%.

        I'm putting this out with an ALPHA status, because I am still testing it out, so don't really know what works and what doesn't. Equally I know there is a lot of interest in it, so rushed it out as ALPHA.
        Maybe the 'bleeding edge' / 'edge of seats' brigade can help me out 😄

        TBH AgentZero (https://forum.cloudron.io/post/119353) holds more interest for me, so not currently sure if I will use Moltbot in practice, but as it's been getting lots of profile, it's fun to explore and compare and discover its capabilities.

        Many of you wanting this on Cloudron are probably 2 steps ahead of me in terms of understanding and configuring Moltbot for real use.
        So feedback and your guidance is welcome.


        Side-note on Packaging : I lost time packaging this because I played with Claude Code (CLI and VS-Code plugin), then Opencode (also CLI and VS-Code).
        TBH there was learning time on those, and neither cut it fully for me.
        Opencode is good, but didn't perform as well as my standard dev setup.
        That's probably an issue of models used, but none performed as well as well as my TRAE dev assistant on "auto" model selection.
        I will remove Claude Code from my setup as the only attraction was using it with Ollama models, but I can do that with Opencode or even TRAE.

        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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        • robiR Offline
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          robi
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          #18

          The latest evolution to stay is OpenClaw as it retains its roots and is copyright free.

          More here + backstory:
          https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

          The gateway really is the cool interface on almost any chat app.

          Conscious tech

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          • robiR robi

            The latest evolution to stay is OpenClaw as it retains its roots and is copyright free.

            More here + backstory:
            https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

            The gateway really is the cool interface on almost any chat app.

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            timconsidine
            App Dev
            wrote on last edited by timconsidine
            #19

            @robi openclaw is much better name
            I just hope the code is much better and finished

            E.g.
            “We support iMessage”

            • “cool”

            “Ah, but it’s a WIP”

            • “aarrgghh”

            I’m excited about Moltbot/OpenClaw but I reckon it needs another couple months to be complete / stable

            Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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            • timconsidineT timconsidine

              @robi openclaw is much better name
              I just hope the code is much better and finished

              E.g.
              “We support iMessage”

              • “cool”

              “Ah, but it’s a WIP”

              • “aarrgghh”

              I’m excited about Moltbot/OpenClaw but I reckon it needs another couple months to be complete / stable

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              robi
              wrote on last edited by
              #20

              @timconsidine I hear you. The experience is so different if you choose an option that isn't as polished yet.

              I would suggest Telegram or Discord to start as those work well. Haven't tried others.

              Conscious tech

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              • robiR robi

                @timconsidine I hear you. The experience is so different if you choose an option that isn't as polished yet.

                I would suggest Telegram or Discord to start as those work well. Haven't tried others.

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                timconsidine
                App Dev
                wrote on last edited by
                #21

                @robi I have Telegram working. Need to configure some / tasks and skills to make it productive.

                Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                  marcusquinn
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                  #22

                  Another day, another rename

                  • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

                  Apparently they're sticking with this now.

                  Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                  Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                  • marcusquinnM Online
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                    marcusquinn
                    wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                    #23

                    The creator's been pretty active with bots to build bots:

                    • https://github.com/steipete

                    6e01d515-74d9-449b-8c6a-4195198996e2-image.png

                    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      Another day, another rename

                      • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

                      Apparently they're sticking with this now.

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                      timconsidine
                      App Dev
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      @marcusquinn started packaging it ....

                      Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                        The creator's been pretty active with bots to build bots:

                        • https://github.com/steipete

                        6e01d515-74d9-449b-8c6a-4195198996e2-image.png

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                        timconsidine
                        App Dev
                        wrote on last edited by timconsidine
                        #25

                        @marcusquinn

                        Interesting : now I see that many of his creations are listed as plugins/extensions within moltbot/openclaw


                        "Ship beats perfect"

                        Ha ! Don't I know it (from packaging moltbot).
                        Far be it from me to challenge this, but I think he should revise his approach.
                        "Shipped and properly working, not incomplete, beats perfect" might be better.

                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                          Another day, another rename

                          • https://openclaw.ai/blog/introducing-openclaw

                          Apparently they're sticking with this now.

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                          jdaviescoates
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                          #26

                          @marcusquinn said in Openclawd - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot):

                          Another day, another rename

                          The title of this thread has openclawd instead of openclaw

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                          • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                            @marcusquinn said in Openclawd - your free open-source AI personal assistant (formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot):

                            Another day, another rename

                            The title of this thread has openclawd instead of openclaw

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                            marcusquinn
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #27

                            @jdaviescoates sorted

                            Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                            Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                              robi
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                              #28

                              This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
                              https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

                              image.png

                              Conscious tech

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                              • robiR robi

                                This thread is inspirational for how to tier your model usage, especially if you're hitting token limits.
                                https://x.com/code_rams/status/2017684921091772591

                                image.png

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                                marcusquinn
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                                #29

                                @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

                                Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                                Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                                • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                  @robi Sonnet 5 is due out this week, don't think we'll need anything else once that is 🙂

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #30

                                  @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

                                  Hence openrouter's auto route helps

                                  As does this config optimization
                                  OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

                                  Conscious tech

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                                  • robiR robi

                                    @marcusquinn token burn is real, and default config doesn't care.

                                    Hence openrouter's auto route helps

                                    As does this config optimization
                                    OC efficient config - https://x.com/alexxzay/status/2017824548276600914

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                                    timconsidine
                                    App Dev
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #31

                                    @robi thanks for that link
                                    still working on my openclaw package, so that will be useful (incorporated if I can)

                                    Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                                      crazybrad
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                                      #32

                                      As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                      Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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                                      • C crazybrad

                                        As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                        Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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                                        timconsidine
                                        App Dev
                                        wrote on last edited by timconsidine
                                        #33

                                        @crazybrad I have very similar thoughts & cautions.

                                        • packaging it because it looks cool and fun to learn what the fuss is about
                                        • I would NEVER deploy this on a primary working computer like desktop/laptop
                                        • deploying it in a container seems like it could be viable

                                        I have a feeling that Agent Zero is much better than Openclaw, but I can't really say that until I have test Openclaw fairly. So continuing on the package "just in case" it can help me or others.

                                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS, communityapps.appx.uk

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                                        • C crazybrad

                                          As an AI practitioner with our own AI server and projects, I was excited about testing this agent as well - until I read this article about ClawDBot Vulnerabilities.
                                          Now I'm thinking about whether I want to explore this, but at least, perhaps I will try it using a machine and digital presence that is separate, apart and isolated from everything that matters!

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                                          robi
                                          wrote on last edited by robi
                                          #34

                                          @crazybrad no fear, the enchanting experience is key.

                                          Conscious tech

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