I built a thing using Cloudron - testers wanted
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Hi @3246 very interesting project, is interesting also to understand how do you orchestrate automations and different cases. You have all customer instances on the same machine, or you will deploy a different one via API?
@p44 thanks for looking. It's split over currently two servers, one for smaller apps and one for those that need more oompf and disk space. They are added to the orchestrator as servers with capacity info. The system then somewhat intelligently balances loads by monitoring real load up to a threshold. If it goes above the threshold for total capacity it will send me an alert to request I add another server.
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Thanks for your feedback, everyone. I really appriciate it. The offer of free apps still stands
I totally forgot to ask: please let me know what browser language and currency you select. I've tested in GBP only so far but EUR and USD update once a day automatically.
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@fbartels uuhh, that's not what should be happening. The prices are fixed in the db based on resource use, roughly along three tiers. I think it might be a caching issue.
Please can you let me know what browser you are using?
Appriciate the feedback.
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Thanks @fbartels, I'll have a look.
I also forgot to mention and link to from the homepage: https://blog.instantappshosting.com/
I'm planning to post more 'alternatives to... <favourite saas>' posts to encourage SME's and freelancers to switch to FOSS apps on the blog.
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@3246 Very interesting concept. One caution: SoGo £5.99/mo. EAS consumes a ton of resources. Are prices per user/email account or an unlimited number of users. Also need to consider storage per user as a 25GB mailbox @ £.02/GB could begin to be meaningful to your profit margins.
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@3246 Very interesting concept. One caution: SoGo £5.99/mo. EAS consumes a ton of resources. Are prices per user/email account or an unlimited number of users. Also need to consider storage per user as a 25GB mailbox @ £.02/GB could begin to be meaningful to your profit margins.
@crazybrad psst. I want to shop a Jellyfin and throw in my petabytes of cooking videos.
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@3246 Very interesting concept. One caution: SoGo £5.99/mo. EAS consumes a ton of resources. Are prices per user/email account or an unlimited number of users. Also need to consider storage per user as a 25GB mailbox @ £.02/GB could begin to be meaningful to your profit margins.
@crazybrad that's good advice. I don't know how it will play out. Right now I am shooting from the hip. I may move it to a higher tier if it becomes too much.
I don't want to charge per user but per app with realistic limits. There will be a disk limit which is currently fair use but certainly be in place for space hungry apps at some point.
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@crazybrad psst. I want to shop a Jellyfin and throw in my petabytes of cooking videos.
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@3246 The underlying problem is a lack of quotas for apps on Cloudron. Since this cannot be solved at the platform level, the only option is to set a volume per app. For example, you could define a volume of 10 GB for Jellyfin (or Nextcloud or Sogo ...), move the app into this volume, and give the customer the option to purchase more GB for more money.
Problem solved.Pronouns: he/him | Primary language: German
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@3246 The underlying problem is a lack of quotas for apps on Cloudron. Since this cannot be solved at the platform level, the only option is to set a volume per app. For example, you could define a volume of 10 GB for Jellyfin (or Nextcloud or Sogo ...), move the app into this volume, and give the customer the option to purchase more GB for more money.
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Now the pricing is different. Initially, it was 5.99 for all but a few (Mattermost was one).
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Now the pricing is different. Initially, it was 5.99 for all but a few (Mattermost was one).
@humptydumpty that looks right to me. I am looking at the caching which might be the root cause.
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@3246 One idea is to separate the apps into high, medium, low resources (especially considering @luckow cooking channel). Launch your service with attractive prices using just the "low" apps, where you won't get burned and need to jack up the prices, something your target audience will likely hate.
Another thought is I personally find the list of Cloudron apps mind-boggling at times. I would also consider offering packages which might include bundles of apps that match business needs (e.g. CRM + Email + Bitwarden). You increase the transaction size, reduce the decision fatigue, and if you price it as Buy 3, Get 1 Free, the economies will surely drive some business. Solopreneur, freelancer, etc. Think about what they need and bundle a solution!
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Thanks @crazybrad. Originally I was thinking just to offer a small range of apps and offer bundle deals. It evolved into the current model with pricing tiers and a comprehensive assortment. However, I am working on a type of bundle like Nextcloud and Collabora. It's not yet working the way I want it to though.
@nebulon et al, I am thinking of using /api/v1/apps/:id/configure/storage to move app data to an XFS volume to solve the 'unlimited storage quota' problem. I will use quotas with XFS.
The approach:
- The setAppStorage() API call moves the app's data directory from the default /home/yellowtent/appsdata/<appid> to /mnt/volumes/appdata/svc_<id>/ on the XFS volume
- SSH-based quota management via sshExec()
- The XFS project quota is transparent to Cloudron — it just enforces a size limit on that subdirectory
- Backups/restores work as usual
Bearing in mind the orchestrator is separate from the Cloudrons (multiples). Does that approach make sense? Am I missing something vital?
