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      NCKNE last edited by

      Having this available in the cloudron universe would be simply awesome and a big selling point. I have so far not seen any providers offering a hosted solution with the Talk High Performance Backend. @doodlemania2: please keep us updated on the packaging. If you need help with tests, etc. let us know. I really appreciate that you are willing to give it a try!
      Together with a future elasticsearch service (hopefully) for full text search, cloudron will become a great nextlcoud hosting platform.

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      • doodlemania2
        doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

        I've been playing with this. Most of it is pretty straight forward, but Janus is kicking my butt. I can't get it to install due to wild wacky dependencies flying every which way. Continuing to work on it, but if you have an easy Janus setup script, let me know 🙂

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        • jdaviescoates
          jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

          Many thanks for your efforts @doodlemania2! 🙂

          @doodlemania2 said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

          if you have an easy Janus setup script, let me know

          I've no idea, but I've asked on the CoTech and Meet.coop forums:

          https://community.coops.tech/t/anyone-got-an-ansible-scripts-for-janus-webrtc-server/2150

          https://forum.meet.coop/t/anyone-got-an-ansible-scripts-for-janus-webrtc-server/131

          Guess you'll have also seen e.g. https://github.com/andycoates/janus-cluster - anything in there that could be reused?

          Will be so awesome once this available on Cloudron!

          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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          • doodlemania2
            doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

            Was pointed to this backport: https://gitlab.com/packaging/janus/ going to try it this evening to see if that helps speed things along!

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            • doodlemania2
              doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

              So, good news, I've got this working in the Cloudron Base image (I think?) using the signaling test client. My next step will be to wrap things up and start testing against live NextClouds. Currently, I'm thinking I'll disable ALL security since it will only be reachable by a local, on box Nextcloud. Open to suggestions on that.

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              • mario
                mario App Dev @doodlemania2 last edited by

                @doodlemania2 hm what do you mean by that? High performance backend needs to be accessible externally as the clients communicate with it via websocket.

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                • doodlemania2
                  doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by doodlemania2

                  Yeah, sorry, I meant that signaling would be externally accessible, but it appears nats and janus do not as signaling just calls them. Does that sound about right or am I WAY off?

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                  • doodlemania2
                    doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                    Continuing to play with this. I think it's working, but I think more than just the signaling app needs access to the internet. I think the Janus bits need to be accessible as well. Currently, it's behind the docker net.

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                    • doodlemania2
                      doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                      Going to build Janus and dependencies from source (which will take some time) as the backports are old. While doing this, @nebulon is working on an update to TURN/STUN to enable API access in CR itself! See: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/710

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                      • jdaviescoates
                        jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

                        @doodlemania2 have you managed to make any further progress with getting this packaged? Thanks! 🙂

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • doodlemania2
                          doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                          Hi @jdaviescoates - yep - we need to wait for an update to Box to support Auth API things on the Turn server. cc: @girish

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                          • girish
                            girish Staff last edited by

                            Yup, we will add it in Cloudron 6

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                            • jdaviescoates
                              jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

                              Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish ! 😄

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              • jdaviescoates
                                jdaviescoates @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                @jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

                                Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish ! 😄

                                In the meantime, Nextcloud 20 is going to make it easy to sign-up to a hosted Nextcloud High Performance Backend

                                See:
                                https://nextcloud.com/press/pr20201003-6/
                                https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-hub-20-debuts-dashboard-unifies-search-and-notifications-integrates-with-other-technologies/93838
                                https://www.spreed.eu/contact-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend/

                                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                • doodlemania2
                                  doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                                  I've got a very early prototype of this working - it just needs some API fun from the Cloudron TURN feature sets. https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe

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                                  • jdaviescoates
                                    jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                    Exciting, thanks @doodlemania2!

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                      oj @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                      @doodlemania2 You might be interested in this: Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend with Stun/Turnserver on Ubuntu with docker-compose

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                                      • girish
                                        girish Staff last edited by

                                        @doodlemania2 To continue the discussion from the other thread about the TURN server requirements.

                                        Per https://markus-blog.de/index.php/2020/07/30/how-to-install-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend-with-stun-turnserver-on-ubuntu/, the turnserver only requires a static-auth-secret and that is already set in existing turn server. I guess you are referring to the turn_rest_api_key in the janus configs? That secret is generated and shared between janus and nextcloud-spreed-signaling server from what I can understand. I think the existing turn service should work as-is.

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                                        • doodlemania2
                                          doodlemania2 App Dev @girish last edited by

                                          @girish oh no! i'm so sorry to have held us all up so long 😞
                                          okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

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                                          • jdaviescoates
                                            jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                            @doodlemania2 said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

                                            okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

                                            Did you manage to have another look? Would be so great to have this! 🙂

                                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                            • doodlemania2
                                              doodlemania2 App Dev @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                              @jdaviescoates 😞 I haven't yet and I feel really bad about it - work has been all consuming of late. It's literally at the top of my list, just haven't had a chance! I promise more soon fast as I can!

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                                              • jdaviescoates
                                                jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                @doodlemania2 don't feel bad about it! 🙂

                                                But also, great, thanks!

                                                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                • doodlemania2
                                                  doodlemania2 App Dev @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                  @jdaviescoates I've been trying to get this to work but it just doesn't (based on the docker-compose example). I've reached out to the author of the blog to see if he can assist!

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                                                  • doodlemania2
                                                    doodlemania2 App Dev @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                    this is ready for testing - please send me a DM if you'd like to try it out!

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                                                    • girish
                                                      girish Staff @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                      @doodlemania2 great news! Is https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe still the latest repo because it says the commits are from 9 months ago.

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                                                      • doodlemania2
                                                        doodlemania2 App Dev @girish last edited by

                                                        @girish we can delete that repo actually - instead of creating a fully packaged cloudron custom app, I decided to offer this to the cloudron community for free* from my VPSs.

                                                        *standard "be nice folks" or I turn it off 😉

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                                                        • doodlemania2
                                                          doodlemania2 App Dev @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                          @girish - i'm really embarassed it took that long (9 months!!!)

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                                                          • jdaviescoates
                                                            jdaviescoates @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                            @doodlemania2 that's very kind of you!

                                                            But it'd still be great to have an app too. Was it just too difficult to package or something?

                                                            Thanks for all your efforts! 🙂

                                                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                            • doodlemania2
                                                              doodlemania2 App Dev @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                              @jdaviescoates like comical... way too many moving parts

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                                                              • coniunctio
                                                                coniunctio @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                                                @doodlemania2 Are you still sharing access to the Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end that you have created? If so, how may I contact you to test it?

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                                                                • doodlemania2
                                                                  doodlemania2 App Dev @coniunctio last edited by

                                                                  @coniunctio Pinged you on DM!

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                                                                    m-si last edited by

                                                                    I would realy love to see this happening as HPB is a gamechanger for bigger nextclouds. @doodlemania2 do you think that looking into https://github.com/deeztek/deeztek-docker/tree/master/Linux/nextcloud-spreed-signaling might help you with your packageing?

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                                                                    • doodlemania2
                                                                      doodlemania2 App Dev @m-si last edited by

                                                                      @m-si someone may find a way to package it, however, I've found it to be much easier to run a dedicated set of servers for NTHPBE. I offer it to clients for a pretty low fee in either US or DE if you are at all interested.

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